Anything Out There Comparable to this LEB Deal? QuadCore, 2GB Mem, 50GB and 1TB BW

Discussion in 'Web Hosting' started by MTUser2010, Nov 13, 2012.

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    Is anybody aware of a deal with similar features to this one that I found out at lowendbox offered by ChicagoVPS?

    http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/chicagovps-7month-2gb-openvz-vps-in-buffalo-ny-and-chicago-il-usa/

    The resources offered here seem unbeatable for the price, but sometimes there are issues such that that I/O drops below 20 MB/s.

    I am well aware of the old joke, quality, service, and price, pick any 2. I don't expect perfection for $7 a month in a hosting package. What I was looking for was may be paying twice as much as I am paying now for the same resources, but more reliability in my hosted websites' ability to access those resources.

    Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
     
    MTUser2010, Nov 13, 2012 IP
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    WSWD Well-Known Member

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    You're basically talking $3.50/GB of RAM on that VPS. That's exactly why you're getting 20 MB/s on the disk I/O. They are severely overselling those servers. You have to figure that with a 16GB server, they would be making about $45/month, and on a 32GB server, perhaps $90/month. That's nowhere near enough to pay for the server or even the bandwidth costs if they are co-locating their equipment. It just can't happen without massive overselling.

    Really at even twice your budget, you should expect overselling as well. If you are interested in good performance, you are definitely going to have to up your budget.
     
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    They just bunch of guys, buy servers with 16GB RAM and 2TB HDD from cheap 2nd hand hardware selling online shop like ebay or newgg and then Put that at a DC with 100mbps 1AMP Rack monthly cost like 299$ then host 80 thousand people on the server. When it flick or dissidence they just remover 50% of VPS and post a news "Power cut or Hardware change or something like that" - You loosed everything and they don't care. + low speed, low site open, 2-3days daily offline is addition features came up with these VPS.
    If you like that kind of service you are good to go. That's why they never sell Dedicated Servers. Also only few of them sell XEN or KVM will they are also the same.. But it's depends on you what kind of service you want. Because on this online business the last matter is SERVICE after all.

    P.S. I don't have time to install my blog or sites everyday. I don't have time for low speed because I'm running business on it not my screwed marriage website. What you running on your server ?
     
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    I don't see any overselling going on. After all, how can you oversell a fixed resource when it comes to VPSs? In this case, RAM is the determining factor, and once RAM is allocated to a particular VPS then it can't be allocated to anyone else.

    What I do see, however, is someone cashing is on the popularity of VPSs and potentially selling to the ignorant who only consider price not the quality or the rest of the hardware. They see a 2GB VPS and think it's the same as every other 2GB VPS.

    DDR3 memory is now so cheap that kitting out a server with 96GB or 192GB of ram is not a problem. - we're now using motherboards that will take up to 768GB of RAM over 16 slots. The problem lies with the rest of the spec. What's the CPU? How many CPUs? what the disk configuration? What about RAID Controllers? Is storage local or via a SAN? Is there any redundancy.

    I could put together a cheap server, big single 4GB SATA disk, the cheapest since CPU, and stuff it with RAM. That lets me sell "2GB" VPSs at a low price and high profit. The performance won't be good - especially once a few people are using it - but what can they expect for $7 a month? On the other hand I can invest in 32 logical core CPUs, dual raid controllers, multiple hard drives, link them to redundant SANs over a redundant self-healing network, and cluster the VPS over 2-4 different web servers and sell the "2GB VPS" for $100 a month (example) with a similar profit margin to the cheap version.

    It depends what the customer wants and what you as a company want to sell. I'd choose the least long-term hassle of the clustered system, but there's nothing wrong with going the cheap route as there's obviously people willing to buy them - even if they don't actually know what they are really getting. A couple of metrics - RAM and Disk Space - are only a small part of a very large equation when it comes to selecting VPSs. While purchasers of these services continue to be more impressed by big numbers than the reality of what they are buying there will always be people willing to sell to those where the least amount of bucks spent is their goal.
     
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    There are plenty of companies out there who oversell RAM, just like they oversell any other resource. While it's true that once RAM is USED, it obviously can't be used by anyone else, but the unused ram can be over-allocated/overcommitted. That's what these companies do. They perhaps have 32GB of available RAM in the system, but perhaps actually allocate twice that, knowing that very few VPSs will actually use all the RAM they are given. It's no different than disk space, transfer, or anything else.
     
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    Ah, that's where I'm not familiar with that particular virtualization software. With Hyper-V, allocated memory from the host is immediately consumed by that VPS once it is switched on, so overselling of RAM is not possible (same with diskspace although with dynamically growing disks this is not quite so clear-cut). The ability to allocated "burstable" ram was introduced in later versions (Hyper-V on Server 2008 R2 if I remember correctly), but even then you can't allocate more than you have available.

    Seems like there's more scope for "jiggery pokery" with some virtualization software based around Linux and I stand corrected.
     
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    Ha ha ha!! Yeah, linux can be a little different. With some companies, you'll actually get "out of memory" errors on VPS, believe it or not. We experienced that on a few hosts before, that we were using for small DNS servers that didn't need their own dedicated box. How in the world can you run out of memory, when you aren't even using half of what you are "guaranteed"? A lot of companies won't oversell even if they can. We're one of them. I'm not familiar with Hyper-V at all, as far as the memory usage and what not is concerned. We don't do anything with Windows.
     
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