I think the consensus is that the co-op has some bad sites in it and this is what maybe killing our sites? Possibly they live in a bad neighborhood... Poland? London? Who knows...
I'm starting to think it could be attributed to a "Bad Neighbourhood"... The problem is, how are you supposed to know what categorises a bad neighbourhood anyway?
Ummmm....hate to break it to you, but apparently co-op advertising (free reciprical marketing) is considered a bad neighborhood as it certainly isn't any of my sites. I have made it a point of using what we would consider standarded basic SEO 101. The only other possible would be duplicate content as it relates to 302 redirects from third party entities outside my control. Not likely as this specific problem does not apply to the other two sites running co-op advertising. This says it is co-op as the pages left for all three are ones that simply don't exist anymore. So, running the co-op advertising does not appear to be a ban. I venture everyone who's seeing this still has PR and back links. What it appear Google is doing is simply not indexing pages of a site that run the advertising. In otherwords, you run co-operative advertising we're not going to list your pages. Interesting indeed as this indicates they could have, as I stated in another post, simply ignored the advertising as a whole. They have choosen an extreme measure. The delisting doesn't bother me it's the lost weight and as such lost impressions. As of friday I have received less than 200 Google referrals for all three sites. This vs. a combined visitor total of over 20K uniques and from memory around 500K page impression for other members. This says, ummmm, I don't need google to be found. All sites are under 8 months old and already were dealing with the sandbox affect. One of the reasons I had to search for other means of aquiring legitimate targeted traffic. Hmmmmm.....I may actually pursue this and let G pay for it with my adsense revenue...lol Cheers
What does Google have to do with linking to bad neighborhoods? I don't link to any bad neighborhoods that I'm aware of. In fact my main neighborhood is the "Coop" neighborhood. And I'm fast becoming toast in Google like others here. With Google de-indexing pages at the rate it is and the subsequent drop in weight it doesn't seem equitable to display over 200,000 ad impressions a week for such a small weight in return. Like Cafe above, the Coop has been helping in MSN and Yahoo but with the drop in weight because of Google the benefits seen in those SE's will dissapear eventually also. I don't know if anyone has turned off the Coop to see if it makes an improvement in Google but I'm about ready to find out.
Why is it then that sites that have NEVER been anywhere near the network are suffering the same symptoms as sites that have been rinning in the network from the start? It just doesn't make sense to me... Completly "white-hat" sites that have been online for a relativly short period of time and only just got indexed a few weeks ago are starting to fall apart... Suffice to say, I'm really getting quite vervous... Added - Yep - It's made no difference to me...
I for one, again, received and have received no traffic from G as a result of the new site repression, so could care less other than "lost weight". Fortunately, I have applied the msn and yahoo benefits in an intelligent way. I have used the co-op advertising while building back links to rank well in Google, MSN and Yahoo for the KW's I target. I maintain one already without any assistance, and am about 200 links shy, based upon my back link analysis, from maintaining the other two versions. The co-op just adds an added punch to site marketing. If one thinks about it....there could be a side benefit to de-indexing of pages. Does that not take those pages out of the "sandbox" filters? Does that not mean....that build enough b/l and maybe come back in and avoid entirely? Hmmm or maybe that is why the PR and b/l count is still in place by Google so that once a site removes itself from the co-op advertising network, it is still repressed by the sandbox filters.. What a joke. Cheers
This is interesting. You're seeing this on sites you have that have nothing to do with the co-op? What's the common factor. Could it be adsense sites being delisted? Hmmmmmm
One common factor is a link I had to an SEO sompetition page that I was running. The Coop network was also running ads for this site (And at one point was appearing very often within the network). This is why I mention the bad neighbourhood thing... Maybe that SEO competition page is classed as a bad network and as a result, any site linking to it could be penalised... FYI - The site that hasn't been run on the network isn't running adsense... You can see it here: http://www.softalien.com The link to the comp page has now been removed.
Why would Google de-list sites displaying it's own AdSense ads? That doesn't seem logical. But whoever said "G" was logical? Maybe for a trial I'll suspend Adsense and the Coop for awhile and see what happens? Then maybe I'll get back to where I was 5 months ago...which is better then where I'm at now.
When people are saying their sites are being delisted are they seeing this on the API or on normal search? One of my sites that is running ads has gone from 13,000 to 845 pages listed in the last 10 days on the API but on a normal site search the page total continues to climb steadily. Showing 150,000 pages at the moment.
It's on the API and on a normal site: query (The pages listed without titles or descriptions are the ones being deindexed)...
Ahh well. Look forward to hearing from Sean on this. At present, I will leave the co-op in place. Unfortunately, once these new details migrate and show up, my weight will be down to "nada" and at that point there will be little to no benefit to continuing to participate and I will remove the network if impressions on other sites is based upon the weight factor as I understand it. I suppose I need to expedite my back link campaign as I have a bunch more I need to get to keep my positions in MSN and Yahoo...sigh.. Cheers.
Those of you who have seen sites 'dropped': Are the majority of those pages in Froogle's index by any chance? I've taken precautionary measures against what's happening to you in that I'm not running the ads on the important sites that I definitely don't want out of the index. Linking to bad neighbourhoods was always a risk, especially at the start. We all knew that linking OUT was the most dangerous things. I very much doubt they'd deindex entire sites for 'too many' IBLs. I think they would just not count them (yet) as per the example of someone in this thread earlier where they saw their rankings go back to what they were pre-coop. Apart from the bad neighbourhood possibility, I still believe a lot of these 'drops' can be attributed to the new not-so-useful / 'duplicate' content filter. There shouldn't be a need to have each and every page indexed and ranking well. If your site is structured properly, de-indexing of inner pages shouldn't be detrimental. Also, Google shouldn't be the only source of traffic. If your business fails because you got de-indexed, then your business model was fudamentally flawed from day 1. Having said that, I am well interested to find some common ground between those that are de-indexed.
None of mine are (As far as I'm aware)... Tops edited his post so mine stopped making sense... (Thanks for that ) This was in answer to whether or not any Froogle feeds were being taken from my sites.
When they put me back to what I was pre Coop days that wasn't all that bad. I could live with that. But now that apparently all of my pages are being slamed and I'm gone from any of the serps, that's what hurts. And the fact that the drop in weight will eventually pass on to hurt gains made in MS and Yahoo. Oh well....such is life.
Read the thread and other posts and you'll find it's other people outside the co-op getting this as well. It's not the co-op because not all co-op sites get this. It might be dodgy outgoing links in genral. Crap content in general. Or any combination or anything else.
I have applied to froogle but they havent listed me yet (now over a month since I uploaded the feed .,.,.,.) I was showing ads up to 26th Dec when my site first started to vanish and then I pulled the outgoing links - but still had some pointing to it from another site. End of last week ALL my pages are listed as a link I get NO referrals from G at all at the moment Gbot hasn't visited for 2 days and yes, still PR6 BUT #1s in Y! and MSN - and conversion rate is better over there so
BTW - I have a .com domain that was 301 pointing to my wasted .co.uk should I now 301 the .co.uk to the .com - will I make it back ?
Your guess is just as good as anyone elses at this point (Unless someone here actually knows what's going on...)