Fantastic... Thanks for that I, Brian... Are those second two links to SEW too? The URL's have been cut short.
Well..our story goes.... number 1 for over a year with popular search term, algo change end of nov dropped us to 30 and then down to a hundred odd.... more popular term we ranked hundred odd for so i thought why not try the coop, nothing to lose at this point... term moved up 11 pages, spotted other sites who were using the coop doing well as well..some higher than us, some lower... then bang...all sites using the coop in our industry and the others i was continually checking ( ultra competative terms ) got filtered overnight... we're back to the position we were originally in ( hundred odd ), all other other sites are out altogether.... we dont link out from the site receiving weight, therefore i conclude the coop links have been filtered because a) we're back where we were before the coop and b) other sites that received a massive boost ( that were originally not in the top 1000 ) are now back out of the top 1000..... i'll be leaving it running of course as i still have nothing to lose....the next few months will see..... our unfortunate situation is regardless of still being top in Y! and MSN it makes no odds to our traffic.... Cheers, Jonny Bravo
You can't conclude anything by that... What about the sites in your sector that haven't been using the Coop... Have you seen any changes to the page counts of those sites? We really need to put together some stats for all of the sites in question, create some graphs and actually see if it's the Coop that has been doing this... I'll try and knock together a template for us all to fill in over lunch today... Otherwise we could just keep going in circles here... I want to see results, not speculation.
Hi Johnny Bravo Thanks for your story. I am with you and look forward to hopefully collecting some useful data.
no...not one other site has moved....i monitor the top 100 very closely.... of course its just my opinion and experience, the point is some rethinking needs to be done as all G needs to look for these days is the ad.txt file and i doubt 99% have changed the name of it to something else so while its doing its usual crawl it can grab all these files and filter the coop in a few minutes...lol.....obviously that’s just speculation as well Cheers, Jonny Bravo
I just peeked at "seo-guy.com", I don't see any co-op ads on his site? or do I have have the wrong site?
Google will never penalize your site for having other sites pointing to your site - regardless how bad the site is. correct?
I just looked at one of his sites...they are on there. I am not going to post the URL, you can figure it out for yourself. Just getting tired of Glengara's posts....we know you don't like the Co-op. I don't like beets...I don't eat them.
OK... So what are the aspects we are actually looking forhere guys... To actually collect any data of any use, we need to put togethersome stats.... What are we looking for here guys... To gather data we will need to know the following from the few people contributing in the thread... The URL Whether or not it's running the ads Whether or not it has ads pointing to it How many pages were indexed How many pages are now indexed Rough number of backlinks before ads were pointed to the site Rough number of backlinks after ads were pointed to the site How long it took from the start of running the ads before it was banned Rough # of Gbot crawls before Rough # of Gbot crawls after... What else do we need to include here guys... It's late and I can't think (Sorry I didn't get this done earlier - busy day)
*Just getting tired of Glengara's posts....we know you don't like the Co-op* Hey, at least I'm INSIDE the tent....;-) More seriously, I appreciate the concept, a linking network to rival the likes of Jupiter Media without the $5000 a month pricetag. However, the timing seemed to coincide with G devaluing the JM links to advertisers, the most high profile examples being a couple of "web directories", but there are more. The common factor between the two networks are rotating links, and IMO, there can be few worse indicators about the quality of your links than to rotate them willy-nilly. BTW, I used Seoguy as an example simply because he's high profile in this sector, hasn't been effected TOO harshly, and probably welcomes ANY publicity There are a number of more private members who would make much better examples of the potential fall-out....
Ads are supposed to rotate. I'm pretty sure people's CTR would go way down if AdSense ads were static. It would be easy to make co-op ads not rotate, but then it wouldn't really be an ad network, it would be nothing more than a static link network.
*.. but then it wouldn't really be an ad network, it would be nothing more than a static link network.* Whatever it might be, the question remains how would G view rotating links where the rest of the page content remains static. My view, however unpopular it may be, is with suspicion, particularly as there is nothing to identify them specifically as ads.
...except that's how advertising works on any big site. Any page within business.com has "rotating links" in the More Sponsored Links section (for example at http://www.business.com/directory/accounting/). Reload and you get a different ad. Those pages are spiderable, have the ad content within the HTML source and not only that, they are AdWords. Google can be suspicious all they want of ads that change.. They should be more suspicious of text link ads that don't change IMO.
That sounds intriguing, going to have to go take a look at that, see you next week ;-) <added> Had a quick peek, and it looks pretty bloody intriguing! Any other input welcomed ;-)