Anyone want a cut of 600 Billion Dollars?

I think your head is in the sand when you ignore the huge payoffs that the UN representatives have received. Look at the French politicians. They go against us to distract from their own bs. Like Clinton starting the war in Eastern Europe to help us forget about Monica.

 

BTW gworld, when I do a search for the article you reference (without a source url) with: "which is more than Canada's gross domestic product."
the only result in Google shows this site:

http://prorev . com/2005/02/ worlds-top-ten-oil-cos-show-100.htm

Doing another search on :
"which is more than Canada's gross domestic product."
I come up with fourteen results. None of which are from the NYT as you suggest.

Perhaps it's not me, that's reading comic books?

 

No I am sure that you only read the comic section, plus you don't know how to search in Google either. Here is the link that you want:

Top ten oil company

Before you start on another non sense speech about Saddam and UN, I will already accept that Saddam was bad, bad man and UN is bad too. Freedom is very good and sky is blue.

Do you have anything to say about this subject?

 

Interesting, as my search yielded the same link as yours. Are we both lacking in search engine skills?

Let's summarize it and move on:

1) You are only outraged at US Oil companies for making money.
2) You are not concered about the OPEC cartel which sets those prices or their riches.
3) You are comfortable making up your own death toll numbers to justify your cause (presumably a "blame America first" cause).

Duly noted. I think I've got the picture! Now that I understand that, I can surely sleep better at night

 

If you found it then why did you say that you didn't?

You are avoiding the questions again, to put your mind at ease I can agree with you OPEC is bad, Russians are bad, French are bad, Chinese are bad and as I mentioned before Saddam is very very bad man . I am not outraged about oil companies profit either because I do not believe in involving emotions in a discussion that should be based on facts, but all this got nothing to do with the subject at hand.

The question is to investigate the facts and try to find motives for the war and why it happened.

Since it has been proved by reports from US energy department and through different sources that war was very profitable for oil companies, do you accept this as a fact that war was profitable for oil companies or not?

Answer yes or no.

 

I said I didn't find anything from the NYT, which is where you suggest the article is from, without providing a source. A link to an obscure blog that supposedly posts comments from the NYT, is not the same as the source article from the NYT. But we can leave it at that, as it doesn't really matter anyway.

What question do you suggest I'm avoiding? I've taken quite a bit of time to respond to your outrage over US oil companies making a profit. You may not like the answers, but I'm certainly not avoiding anything. I suppose I could suggest the same about your silence over your math skills with 150,000 deaths. Maybe we can start talking about the country you are from and criticising it. I'm sure I could fabricate some outrages

Standard operating procedure...when finally put on the spot, to break the final silence; saddam is bad, opec is bad, UN is bad, et al. Then right back to the greedy oil companies making a profit and it's outrageous. I can't think of a single reason why I'm not surprised

Hate to break the news to you, but that's not a question at all. Your goal may be to investigate facts to uncover a motive (insert: conspiracy theory), but I've yet to see any valid data or report that suggests we are at war for oil. Do let me know though, when you find that report. If you uncover some smoking gun, be sure to send it to CBS and NewsWEAK first. No fact checking required there. I have every confidence in the mainstream media here in the US (I presume you are not in the US by some inconsistencies in your comments) will be the first to report anything damaging, whether true or false, with no regard to our country.

If you are in search of motives for war, perhaps you will be interested in the conditions layed out to saddam. Each a violation of UN Resolution(s) that saddam had a choice to comply with, after years of sactions (that he avoided to get around...courtesy of the oil for food program) and bought off UN votes with his oil vouchers:

There you have it. Motive du jour! Which one do you think was the most difficult for saddam to consider? My guess is "If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will cease persecution of its civilian population..." Or, perhaps it was the WMD that John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, et al, suggested saddam had and wanted to go to war with Iraq in 1998. Hmm, but if "Bush lied," didn't these prominent democrats lie first? Or were they moved to Syria? So many complexities, considering that Zarqawi was in Iraq prior to invasion and sent a nice little gift to Jordan in the form of 20 tons of WMD. Can't imagine where those pesky little WMDs mysteriously appeared from.

Perhaps the entire economy here is recovering because of the war? Probably not, as Anthony seems to suggest the world economy is crumbling and we all live in cardboard boxes. Oil companies make profits. That's the business they are in, like any business. Google makes profits, Johnson and Johnson makes profits. Many large companies make profits and those profits increase, year after year.

What you fail to provide with your "simple math formula" is whether these "supposed" profits are net or gross. You fail to mention how OPEC prices increase, which naturally means their gross revenues will be reported higher to offset the rising cost of oil. You fail to provide information such as research and development costs. The only thing you show is, that oil companies make a profit. Gross, net? If gross, then how is the rising cost of oil factored in, to offset the gross gains? Would not their gross profit naturally be higher, but offset with the cost of goods sold because of the rising cost of oil being imported? And if so, wouldn't it be prudent to look at net gains? What new research and development, equipment, etc offset those gross gains? There's lots of factors that are omitted from your "simple math formula" and data.

Your research is focused on one thing. They saw profit increases on a yearly basis. Shall I name other companies that see gains in profits from a year to year basis? And if I do, will it be the fault (or success) of the current US administration?

Your question cannot be answered with a simple yes or no, because you have failed to produce anything more than an outrage that profit was earned, with no additional data to break the issue down. But even if you did, you are still left with a conspiracy theory. A potential motive, which has nothing more than wishful thinking behind it.

Have Oil companies profitted over the past few years? Sure. What company isn't in the business of making a profit? Oil companies intentionally raise prices every summer and realize HUGE profits. Do I like it? Nope, but I don't sit around and dwell on their profitability. I don't devise outrage and pretend to be victimized by the all-mighty oil company who is the evil of the world, when I pull up to the pump once a week to fill up my car with gasoline. I don't whine and moan about prices as they go up and *almost* reach the price of a gallon here, that it was in Europe back in 1985.

So again, I summarize; you have outrage over oil companies making a profit. We all have our callings in life, right? I think it's fare to say your calling is trying to find a way to prove the US is in Iraq for oil. Perhaps the main flaw with your quest to prove such conspiracy theory is the sheer lack of any proof by any credible source, coupled with the fact that when I fill up at the gas pump tomorrow on my way to Walmart to do some shopping, I'll wonder why the price of gas hasn't dropped to $.99 cents a gallon, because you suggest we're ravaging the oil fields in Iraq to steal their oil.

If we're there to steal oil, why am I not seeing $.99 cent gas at the pumps? Which US oil company is stealing that oil? I want to send them a letter of outrage because if we're getting all that free oil now, I demand lower gas prices

 

Funny how GTech and TOOT avoid commenting on these links left in my prior post in this thread.

 

Who is we? is it the people who are losing their jobs due to import from China or is it the soldiers who died in Iraq or oil company management and share holders who made billions.?

You assume that government represents a unified mass of people who are Americans but in reality any government Republican or Democrats, left or right represents the interest of special sections of the people.

Your assumption about cheap oil would have been correct, if the government represented the whole country and Iraq oil field would have belonged to the American people as a occupier of that country but it is not so.
The only thing that has happened that we have helped the American oil companies to take control of these fields from other companies and naturally it is to the best interest of these companies to sell the oil with highest price possible.

If everybody believed that we should only accept what ever it is in the newspapers, there was no use for this forum or discussion in general. That is the reason that I try to look at the facts and draw my own conclusion while it seems for you independent thinking is a dirty word.

 

Talking point 1 -
If we where in it for oil wouldn't we support the PLO instead of Israel? They not only have oil but would improve our image in the middle east.

Talking Point 2 -
You damn liberals prevent the republicans for years from drilling in Alaska. Does it make any sense to base a national economy on the likes of a porcurpine Carbiou? Maybe the gas prices would be alot cheaper if they would allow it?

Talking Point 3 -
Do you not remember the people in Baghdad when the tore down the statue of Saddam Hussein (or did your liberal newspaper forget to add that?) and how happy the people are? Would you like to live in a country where mass murder is common and men rape women without punishment? The responsibility of good is to stop evil?

Talking Point 4 -
What are you guys going to say if we have to take care of North Korea? Honestly I don't want them to be killing my family with a nuke? Would it be ok if they killed yours instead?

 

Oh yeah, Republicans are going to save the world, what a joke man, we are the most hated nation on the face of the earth, next the EU will turn against us as China and Russia are against us.

When will you Republicans learn that no one in the world wants to be ruled by narrow minded thieves and liars who only care about ripping off the population for every dime they have

As far as our support for so-called Israel, they are our 51st state and have bribed every leader in this nation and our bias toward it (this man made state) has caused these folks to conduct terror against the USA.

If we as a nation were fair they would have no problems with us.

 

Wow! You totally avoiding all my questions? Get to the point and stop spinning? Would you rather live under Saddam Hussein or George Bush? Would you rather live in a dictatorship (you wouldn't be talking to us now) or democracy?

 

Answer this, why did Bush Senior who is behind this current administration let Saddam live in 91 if he was such a great danger

Sounds to me like this nation and the world was ripped off by his leadership and we are still being robbed daily.

 

Stupid point 1- PLO doesn't have a piece of dirt to stand on, let alone oil. There are strong lobby groups that support Israel in state and in the same time Israel will work as American police in the area.

Stupid point 2- The drilling in Alaska will not lower the price because with the cost structure in North America, most oil companies will go broke on domestic production if the price drops. Remember the oil bust and bankruptcies in Texas in mid 1980's.

Stupid Point 3- Do you remember the people in Chile, Iran,... who got rid off the dictators and American government who brought back the dictators such as Pinochet and Shah? Who is the friend of USA in that region, Saudi Arabia, here is the picture of democracy in that country



Stupid point 4- If having a nuclear bomb is a reason to attack a country then all other countries have a reason to attack USA. How are the North Koreans going to attack your family? They have no long range missile delivery system to reach USA, or do you think they will post it with DHL?
What country has the highest military budget in the world and always trying to develop new weapon systems? will you be surprised if I say USA.

 

I Haven't read the last 14 pages or so, because I am allergic to Anthony's posts at the moment..

But can anyone recap in 10 words or less how would one go about getting a cut of this 600 billion dollars?

 

Strange that they are our friends, but at the same time are in business with folks like Henry Kissinger (to rip off the American people and the world on oil = this started with Nixon and Kissinger in the first oil crisis in 1973 when Kissinger was Nixon's secretary of state) who had to resign from the 9/11 commission that Bush nominated him for (because of conflict of interest), because his firm, Kissinger & Associates represents the Saudi's in Washington.

PS: Mella, just join the Republican party and they might give you a job in Iraq driving an oil tanker for Halliburton

 

Look at the oil companies shares in states or BP, shell in Europe. Most of them already gone up but since this war is going to continue with many years forward, all these companies will have excellent profit development compared to tradition industries.
There are also many small partnership listed on Dow that buys you shares in certain fields and because they are small, the public has not notice it as much as big boys companies and better prices. these partnership usually have low P/E ratio and good dividends which will earn you excellent income (much better than anything bond or banks can offer) and in the same time you will enjoy the price increase in the shares.

 

I am blonde. Post with over 10 words send me to beddy byes.


Ps; thanks for explaining <3

 

Buy oil company shares with high dividends. (7 words)

 

...but 10 including the words in brackets + the emo.

Thanks babe!

 

Anthony and gworld do not want the Iraqi people to have freedom. That's why they are so disappointed saddam isn't still in power. They prefer people be oppressed, rather than free. They whine and make up oil stories that don't exist. Strangely enough, they are not interested in real oil thieves like OPEC or the UN. Never an outrage for corrupt oil or terrorism. Somehow I don't imagine Anthony as having a "support our troops" magnet on the back of his car! His bumper sticker would read "Zarqawi is really a nice guy. He's just misunderstood."

If only we were stealing oil, I could have filled up today for $.99 cents! If we're going to get the blame for doing something we're not, least we could get, is the benefit of low oil prices

gworld, no follow up data to make an informed decision about oil profits? Gross/net gain figures? I didn't think so