I noticed that I am receiving hundreds of clicks a day on one of my site. I don't do any type of ppc so I wondered where they were getting money from my site. I did a little research and found them to be one of my affiliates on one of my many affiliate programs. They received over 3400 in the last 5 days clicks to the ad of my site that they placed on adflasher. Now I see what they are doing. The traffic they are sending is garbage because they received no conversion hence no pay. So I no longer think they are scamming yahoo or adsense but I could be wrong.
all i can say is that Vallerie is Bullshit and Bo is the legit one.. I totally agree with BO Adflasher.net you're going down
wow are u kidding me stfu u think ur amazing because u have 400+ posts. Hooray for you!! Just because I am new doesn't make me a "newbie" I bet I kno way more about computer crap and internet marketing than you I am a member on many forums and when I saw this thread I joined. Also to the guy saying we are the same person, that is not possible cause you can only have one account on this site, and our ips would match if we were the same person and a mod would ban us.
You apparently do not know A THING about computers because even an intermediate "geek", would know what a proxy is. This further proves my point. You know fair and well what a proxy is because you are using it right now (unless you have a dynamic IP or mods just never seen it yet) and you thought that we wouldn't know what a proxy is, so you try to backup your claim with a fallacious argument.
yah i kno what a proxy is actually and I am not using one. It would be pretty hard for me to use a proxy and go at a decent speed on this site. And if you are saying that I am using a proxy then obviously I know what it is
I'm not saying I can't be wrong, but I find it hard to belive that someone would still belive that AdFlasher is doing anything wrong when the proof it out there that they DO NOT use google OR yahoo and apparently boni signed up as an affiliate on that affiliate site and that is why he is receiving those views. My guess is they send visitors to affiliate sites so affiliate sites can send THEM visitors, which is why they can have these stats: http://www.adflasher.net/analytics
I have been reading this topic with interest and some of you make some great points but the answer you are seeking is probably much simpler than you could imagine. A quick recap on the main points. Adflasher.Net is publishing yahoo links, affiliate links and other links to which it has entirely no affiliation at all and paying 30c a click to the people who visit these links. As a few have correctly pointed out, yahoo doesn't pay Adflasher.Net 30c or more per click, the affiliate link clicks are not converting to sales because the traffic is complete garbage and others in here have stated they are receiving traffic from this site that they have not requested or paid for and yet all of the clickers are being paid 30c a click. The links have probably just been scalped from directory listings elsewhere. The mystery seems to be who is actually paying for it, are Adflasher.Net sending traffic out of pure kindness and paying people in some form of a pay it forward type gesture? Not a chance! Are the lemmings who click the links paying for them? We have a WINNER here folks! Here is the lowdown on how this scam works. It is just like 12dailypro.com who all those years ago ran a very naughty ponzi scheme and defrauded clickers out of millions of dollars. The scam paid 12% a day which is an unrealistic return for clicking ads but the ads were just links to google, yahoo and similar ponzi schemes. The Adflasher.Net scam offers 100% an hour returns which is simply amazing! So where does the money come from and who are the advertisers? Sadly there are no real advertisers and the whole thing is one big PONZI scheme, just like the Bernie Madhoff scheme which is why this make believe ad network grew so fast. When you join this scam you purchase an ad viewing package for $15 and receive $30 back once you have clicked a few ads that no genuine companies appear to be paying for. All of those links in the advert directory are there only to make it look more legitimate than a standard autosurf which mainly has backlinks to google. They are PAYING YOU WITH OTHER PEOPLES MONEY! Your money when you join will be paid out to other people that are owed money. Once new lemmings stop joining and throwing their money into it the program can no longer pay off existing members and collapses like a house of cards. The surfers are then paid with money from surfers who joined later which is why the excuses are starting about time for payments to clear. The messages from the admin about limiting sales is because they know the jig is up and are trying to pretend to be legitimate and ethical. The fact that the information associated with the domain name is fake should tell you a lot. Over on scam.com there is an interesting post stating that the phone number is the number for directory assistance. I called it too and was connected to directory assistance. Google for Adflasher and look for the link to scam.com to find the topic. I quote the person who claims to be the owner of Adflasher.Net who seems to be clearly deluded and clueless. "I am the owner of AdFlasher. Posting information like this is great lawsuit material. AdFlasher.net is not a Ponzi. If you were to do some math on how our system works you would quickly realize that not only is it sustainable, it's very profitable. We are currently negotiating with major ad networks and are excited about what is going to happen next with our great website. The advertisers you refer to are affiliate marketing websites who have signed up to be promoted by other sites. They all either have their permission settings set to be automatically approved or they manually review each site. Our site has been reviewed by thousands of affiliates and approved. Many of them are very happy with the traffic that we send. We have increased the Alexa rating of hundreds of websites in only one week. If you actually did contact some of the advertisers it would not be unusual for them to not realize that a site sending them traffic is an affiliate unless they actually checked. Our Advertisers are also experiencing great results with the Ads that they place on AdFlasher.net. Many of them have written us and said that they have advertised all over the place and never had a response as great as what they received from us. As for the information on the whois lookup, I frankly don't want my personal name, address and phone number posted all over the Internet. (As you just tried to do). This is my choice and I have a right to do that without having to pay GoDaddy a monthly fee for privacy protection. As for the previous post regarding a deleted account, your account was not deleted. Due to the high server load we experienced technical issues which prevented users from logging in for a period of time. Your account is there just how you left it. If you are still unable to login simply use our login self help tool or contact support." The upshot is that the company information is false by the owners own admission, why? The answer is quite simple, the owner does not want to be traced because they are running an illegal scheme. Any REAL business would be more than happy to give their real contact details and prove they were genuine, this company or scamming individual to be more accurate does not want anyone to be able to track them down. Under ICANN rules for domain registration, contact details must be genuine. Usually when domains have false info it is because it is a SCAM. This is the reason many people are receiving 1000's of garbage clicks from this site. There is now a bot program which can be bought to click ads at an unattended computer or while minimized which means that pages will be clicked by automated robot traffic making it even more worthless than it already was. Anyone want to pay 30c a click for that? Type "adflasher bot" into a search engine and check the cashloopholes site for more info on bots. Maybe some of you webmasters who received traffic would like to write to them telling them how fantastic their traffic is like the other many happy customers who have written to them. Maybe the Adflasher owner would like to come on here and prove to everyone that his program is legitimate and if he would like to sue me for pointing out the obvious then I am more than willing to give my real name (hint it is my username here) and address in return for their name and address because I have nothing to fear and these scammers have everything to fear! Barry Bidgood
Very good point made, there, mate. I would like an answer from AdFlasher as well, I don't think adflasher is a scam yet, but i am skeptical now because of this post! 1. AdFlasher is new 2. The amount of money to be made is incredible and no one else can do this! So far I don't think it is a scam, so hopefully AdFlasher will prove you wrong and I can get back to flashing. Otherwise the person who made AdFlasher is a very smart guy to pull this off!!! Oh, and if Ad Flasher isn't a scam, then some other guy can rip from this post and make a site like ad flasher, but this time it's a scam! EDIT: Do you have a reason why they have limited ad view packages being bought???? They are still paying everyday (everyday there is proof) and with no money coming in with ad views being bought how could the "scheme" work out???? I think someone is a little too paranoid with the Barny Made-Off (with your money) scheme, as I don't think a scheme as this could work without money from new people coming in, and if it was a scam they wouldn't just block new money coming in like that. Plus, they just added a Free-Viewer thingy. Why would they do that if they are a scam? They added the free ad viewer thing so that they can make more money on ads being viewed without having to pay anyone! If I were a scammer I would not go through such great lengths to make people think I was legit when money is already coming in. EDIT: Not to mention that this is not as big as the Barney Made-Off (with your money) scheme. If everyone only buys one pack at a time, the most anyone would be out is 15$! So, even if this is a scam, I don't really care, cause if your foolish enough to buy so much at one time, then that is your fault. Don't invest more than you can stand to lose, even if it's been proven to work! And I already made by 15 bucks, so if I lose 15 bucks, then fine, I lost my time. If the "scam" continues and I buy another ad view to make more money, then I lost 15$ from the 30$ i made on ad flasher. STILL not bad. Ok, so if your reading this wondering if you should buy a view pack or not, if your cannot afford to risk 15 bucks, don't do it! If you can, sure, it's only 15 bucks, WHY NOT? This system is working now. Get on while it still is. The reason that Ad Flasher said, why they didn't want to put personal info out IS understandable, but only when you are first starting out with no money. No doubt, by now they should have money to pay GoDaddy the money to make their info private. Plus, as you said it's against ICANN rules! If they were a scammer, don't you think they would pay godaddy to make them private, knowing people would think they scam if they do that? Ad Flasher: Please make your info private or put your real business info. This makes you look like a scam! With anything please look at BOTH sides of the story as I just have. You come here and only post NEGATIVE things, there ARE positive things as I have pointed out. Have you even thought of any positive things or just thought of ways how they can be a scam? I did both. If adflasher tells everyone how they make money, don't you think they would have too much competition by people who ripped them off? I certainly would not tell people how to make great KFC if I were KFC!!! I would still like AdFlasher to post here for everyone to see, though.
I think the response loosely means that they have no answers that would be believed by anyone and that wont dig a deeper hole for themselves and claim a lawyer told them not to comment on it. This is not only evasive but is also a sure sign of guilt. These guys have no real answers when placed under scrutiny. Don't hold your breath waiting for this individual to come here and post proof of their legitimacy because it just isn't going to happen. You say that they are still paying, they are paying a few people and will continue to do so while they get try to take the money out. If they stop paying now people will complain, the accounts will be suspended and they wont be able to bank their ill gotten gains. Many people are saying in other forums that they still haven't been paid yet and by the time they actually file complaints the money will be long gone. If you have money in this scheme I would advise you to ask for your money back or file a dispute immediately with whichever payment gateway you used because this site is 100% PONZI. If they wish to sue me they will have to come in here to get my name and address for the lawyers who I am sure don't even exist anyway. Enough people have caught on that this is a scam and it will only be a matter of time before law enforcement and other relevant agencies become interested. They will easily be able to follow the money and find the THIEF who is behind this SCAM.
Hmm... this really does seem like you are actually a competitor of AdFlasher and just want to take some customers away. Considering you only have 1 post and you are not even CONSIDERING post ends of the story. You never argued my other points either, only my last post. In the event that they are a scammer: I really believe that if AdFlasher does that Paypal and AlertPay will take action immediately, and make it known that it is a scam. Everyone will be telling everyone that it is a scam and it will go down as fast as it went up. I will have only made out with nothing and others will have benifited a little. Others who are not dumb enough to buy something without researching it first, will research AdFlasher to see if it is a scam and when they find out that it is, they just won't invest = no money lost. Everyone who already bought a view pack can just request their money back with Paypal or AlertPay. Now that they are limiting view packs THERE IS NO WAY a ponzi scheme can work like this. Ponzi schemes need exponential growth in order to succeed. No new member means that the party is over. And there are still payment proof coming out today: This is from a member with 353 posts on the forum on where I got it. Very trusted, and not faked. Actually, they blocked view packs before and they were still paying (they are still paying now), if it was a ponzi they would not block ad view packs! I feel very strongly that they are not a scam now, but again, I could be wrong and if they unblock view packs, please only buy 1 at a time, no matter how much they pressure you. That is what I am doing. EDIT: Ok, I'm researching Ponzi schemes and AdFlasher is VERY close to it, but I stand by my statements. And as I said I have nothing to lose since I already made 15 bucks and I'm only buying 1 at a time. http://www.ponzischemealert.com/HYIPs.html This tells you how HYIPs work, which are internet ponzi schemes. As you can say it's almost exactly like AdFlasher. ALMOST: PayPal is still used for buying View Packs, although buying view packs are currently blocked. If they ever take paypal away I would not personally use it anymore! Going back to that website: Blatant (aka "Naked" or "Obvious") Ponzi Schemes: This is DEFINITELY NOT AdFlasher: The Ad Flasher website is designed very well (although not GREAT), and is not being used anywhere else, to my knowledge. They have been up for more than 2 months, which is still short but nothing compared to 2 weeks. The grammar on the site is great, I haven't seen a mistake yet (unless you wanna count support tickets). Not sure about the ROI... According to ad flasher financial gains are accumulated by the advertisers by you viewing ads. What is less known is how THEY money money. Next! Long-Term Ponzi Schemes Autosurfs THIS, is what AdFlasher COULD be. Read all my other arguments... They are VERY close to this. But, as I said your only losing 15 bucks... Legitimate HYIPs Whether you think Ad Flasher is one of these legitimate HYIPs is up to you. As for me, I'm gonna buy 1 at a time, so that I will not be scammed. If you are new, I probably wouldn't join untill everything has cleared up a bit. I already got my money so I have nothing to lose now! I don't care! You CAN lose!
I can assure you that i am not a competitor of this scam, scams like this rely on people like you who help propogate the myth and spread the good news to everyone and cheerlead for it. I will 100% guarantee you that in time this will be proven to be a scam, only by then it will be too late for the many who will have lost their money. If you get paid great!, enjoy taking someone elses money! If you don't get paid then your money was used to pay someone else. In order for this to work and for referral commission to be paid around 2 in every 3 people who join will end up out of pocket. I know you don't want to believe me but stick around for the final show. * Ridiculous, high ROI ranging anywhere from 5-10% ROI or even 1000% in one day * Little to no information about how financial gains are accumulated * Poor website design and/or quality Quoted from your piece on blatant ponzi schemes. 100% in 1 hour is ridiculous! and there is little to no info about how financial gains are accumulated either. The alarm bells should be ringing. An owner who is quite happy to take your money but doesn't want to tell you who he is. I'll bet that you wouldn't just send me money even though you at least know my real name? But you are willing to trust your money to someone whose listed telephone number is directory assistance. The Ad Flasher website is designed very well (although not GREAT), and is not being used anywhere else, to my knowledge. They have been up for more than 2 months, which is still short but nothing compared to 2 weeks. The grammar on the site is great, I haven't seen a mistake yet (unless you wanna count support tickets). Not sure about the ROI... According to ad flasher financial gains are accumulated by the advertisers by you viewing ads. What is less known is how THEY money money. The web page design is a vanilla design that doesn't even fit with the rest of the site. The site may well have been registered for 2 months but it hasn't been trading for 2 months, it has been open little over a week. Alarm bells should be ringing so loud that they are almost deafening you by now. The paypal account for adflasher is currently suspended awaiting them providing documentation so if you have paid by paypal they are unable to pay you, a dispute filed before the avalanche of future claims might get you your money back before they run out of money. This means that paypal already know or suspect it is a scam and are just going through the motions. I see that you have posted a proof of payment from alertpay, if you read more into ponzi schemes you will soon discover that many do pay at first because people will fall over themselves to spread the good word about a paying opportunity and are prepared to stake their reputations on proving it only to look foolish when the truth is finally out. Go and read what you read about blatant ponzi schemes again and see if you think that 100% ROI in 1 hour is not ridiculous, that is 2400% a day!, a bank pays around 1% a year. You have probably read in here about the quality of traffic the site sends and real advertisers would not throw money at 30c a click into this scam without making a profit from the sales. One poster on here recorded around 3500 clicks to his main page and never made even a single sale, this poster was not paying adflasher for the traffic either so where is all the money coming from? You will also see that ponzi schemes are also easily identified because they charge you money to earn money, legal Pay To Click sites do not charge you to click and do not pay out ridiculous rates. Advertisers who use sites like that for advertising are only prepared to pay extremely low rates because they know that the traffic they will receive has a very low conversion rate. This kind of traffic is about the lowest quality you can but, again see what people earlier in the thread who have received some of this traffic to their sites have said about it. It is just a shame that Adflasher cannot be here with us today to prove that the scheme is legitimate, I am not holding my breath though. Barry Bidgood
Many HYIP industry players consider "Autosurfs" to represent an entirely different category of internet programs, as opposed to yet another "division of HYIPs." However, the Autosurf concept is essentially the same as an internet HYIP program with a "website advertising" twist. Autosurf programs promise a high rate of return to members for viewing a certain amount of websites in each day. Members can only receive this high rate of return on advertising packages purchased. Therefore, the concept of "investments" in HYIPs is usually replaced by the term "advertising packages" or "credits" in Autosurfs. The high returns (often called "rebates") are paid out through future members' upgrades and therefore constantly require new members and new investments for the program to survive. As with all divisions of ponzi schemes, Autosurfs are also doomed to collapse at some point in time. Autosurfs may last only a few weeks or survive for a couple years, similar to Long-Term Ponzi Schemes. Some examples of large Autosurfs of the past would include: 12 Daily Pro (Admin: Charis Johnson), Studio Traffic, Tri-Star Media (Admin: Bob Krimm), and Ad Cash Daily / ASD (Admin/CEO: Andy Bowdoin). You should take special note of this too and notice it is literally a carbon copy of how adflasher works where you purchase ad packages and are paid out from future members upgrades. Barry Bidgood
Yes, well I'm going to do my normal thing and go 50/50. I'm thinking Ad Flasher might be a scam 50/50. I'm going to refute some of my own arguments and some of yours. My big arguments are that paypal is still being used and that they have blocked buying ad views. These arguments go hand in hand if they are a scam. Red means in the event they scam. Paypal has suspended sending and incoming money from AdFlasher, therefore they have to block ad views. I'm gonna contact Paypal about this now. Hopefully they can give me any sort of info. So how can they still keep paying if no more money? Could be that the people who got paid were old members getting paid with the newest member's money right before they blocked buying view packs. Could be the advertiser's money, or it could be they are temporarily taking money from their own pocket that they made from this scheme to pay them, just to make it look like they don't scam, which they have done REALLY well. This could be the best HYIP scam I've seen! I've also seen they made a mistake, they said "kids are using this system to buy toys" when your supposed to be 18 or over to use the system. If I were an advertiser I wouldn't want kids looking at by ads to buy toys, unless I'm a toy site, lol. AGAIN! I stand by my claim that you should only buy 1 at a time! This way you are only out 15$ and this scam will not hurt anyone who goes by this rule. Now to refute your comments: "Enjoy taking someone else's money!" We do not know that they are a scam, yet. You cannot say for sure, no matter how much you may be right. "100% in 1 hour is ridiculous!" We are not looking at 15$ as an investment according to the adflasher system, it is insurance to the advertisements. This is just like a normal job for the consumers who get paid 15$/hour. "I'll bet that you wouldn't just send me money even though you at least know my real name?" I would if there are payment proofs that you work "The web page design is a vanilla design that doesn't even fit with the rest of the site." What actually DOES fit a PTC website? Anything can go. I was talking about the unique design of the system. Flashing ads and the sort. They even implemented a system that checks for auto clickers (if they aren't lying about their most recent news). Not GREAT because they could have made a captcha to prevent it altogether. "I see that you have posted a proof of payment from alertpay, if you read more into ponzi schemes you will soon discover that many do pay at first because people will fall over themselves to spread the good word about a paying opportunity and are prepared to stake their reputations on proving it only to look foolish when the truth is finally out." I wasn't saying that they do pay, which we all know. I was saying that they are paying even when buying view packs are closed. More payment proof today: GUYS, WE NEED CONTINUED PAYMENT PROOF EACH DAY IN ORDER FOR US TO SEE IF THIS IS A SCAM! POST IT HERE IF YOU HAVE IT! "You will also see that ponzi schemes are also easily identified because they charge you money to earn money, legal Pay To Click sites do not charge you to click and do not pay out ridiculous rates." I do understand this and that's what makes it REALLY fishy and I am 50/50 on the whole thing right now, but they provide a good excuse: In case you guys were wondering, the new news posted in the support section:
I first created my account with Adflasher on 10-Sep and bought an ad-pack, took my time to complete this first 105-views-pack for 1. I noticed that there was a $15.90 Pending Funds out of $31.50 that's about 51% of the earnings I deserve. I bought one more pack, this time round its 100 views, completed and found the latest Pending Funds to be $39.30. $39.30 - $15.90 = $23.40 <-- the second pack has $23.40 Pending Funds $39.30/($31.50 + $30) = 64% Pending funds is owing to me Available balance is $28.05 inclusive of all the referer earnings and such... I still could not withdraw the funds due to the available balance ($28.05) being less than $30 I still don't understand about how the Pending funds work and what does it mean by advertisements not expired yet and have some doubts that this statement is true. They also said that it takes 12-24 hours to 7 days to release. Its the 3rd day now and its not released yet. They have even stopped the view pack sales. My referrals are fast and have completed about 3 packs and have withdrawn $30 out of 3 ad packs ($45) spent. I don't entirely feel comfortable with the experience: 1. Slow server movement at 10:00pm Singapore Time (UTC +8:00) may be EST 10:00am. 2. Frequent outages 3. Unable to login even when my ID & password is right 4. Occassionally not able to click open the ad at a count down ad-box and to be told that I have to click before the count-down is over. 5. And to be told that I didn't allow enough time for the advertiser to load the page when sometimes the ad has already been open for more than a minute. 6. The withdrawal only to Alert-Pay when the FAQ says it can be done through various trusted payment processors. I had plans to roll my money in Paypal rather than to pay in paypal and receive in alert-pay. Based on my referral's case, to have to spend $45 to withdraw $30 and having $60 of pending funds feels a little bit ridiculous to me.
I just realized that now they are asking free members to upgrade their account which allow them to receive Ad Views with a higher priority than standard members. The price is $60.00 per year. Each week our system will distribute Ad Views to all the members. Upgraded members will receive them first, with any remaining Ad Views being distributed to our free members. Each completed Ad View will earn you $0.10 and the earnings will be available immediately. These earnings will not be held as pending. We are also told to Note: * The system will begin allocating Ad Views on or before 09/27/2009 * Your Premium membership is valid for exactly 1 year * We guarantee you will earn a bare minimum of $120.00 in return earnings * If you do not receive $120.00 in earnings, even if it's 1 cent less, your membership will be continued another year for no charge * The system will allocate Ad Views each week. Depending on volume, every member may not receive Ad Views each week. Based on what I've copied and pasted the above, I wonder anyone thinks if its wise to upgrade.
The question here is NOT if they are a blantant scam and don't pay. They DO pay. The question is if they are a ponzi or not. To answer your questions (not that this matters anymore since they have a new system now, explained below)... They are VERY new... and this is to be expected, they were not expecting all of these people joining. This is how neobux was when it first started. I'm in the US and their server is quite fast for me, now. They were very slow when I first signed up, too. There are still bugs to be worked out and stuff since they are new. Paypal WAS accepted as a withdrawal type at first, but they temporarily took it off since Paypal is asking them for some tax form or whatever. Anyway, there is a new system: HMM! They are still following a scam model. I've seen this model before at another PTC website. They are out of bussiness now, not sure if they were a scam or not. But, I would like Barry to explain what they are doing now, if they are a scam. They are still relying on new members? I'm not sure. Is this even a ponzi anymore? If they are still a ponzi then they would need to be paying free members with premium member's upgrade. And the upgrade is only 60$ FOR A WHOLE YEAR! Ugh. I'm REALLY confused now, but I just can't accept they are not a scam, since you have to pay for premium membership.... OH! I am confused, confused, confused! I REALLY want them not to be a scam, but this new system makes less sense, both as a legit business model and a scam model... Big question: Why do you have to PAY for an upgrade? Their previous answer was that they promised their advertisers that their consumers had money... but free users will be seeing ads, too... I asked that question to their support: O.O O.O o.o o.o Oooooook.... still confused. I doubt that. There are plenty of people of there that just want money and will NOT pay money to get money. There are people out there that don't HAVE $60. I swear to you, that although there will be lots of premium members, there will be alot new free members. It doesn't make sense that you need to PAY money for this, unless this is a scam. Why do you need money when you will just be paying it out again in the matter of a week? I think this makes it even more of a scam. Sure, they will pay, but they will run off with all the money one day. If they are expecting large amounts of people to buy premium membership, the ponzi can still work until the growth dries up! When it dries up, the party is over and they run away with the money. Their previous model made alot more sense to me and I was 50/50. Unless they give me a reason to believe they need 60$ I will go 35/65. Or a blatant 10/90, just because I don't see why a legit model would need 60$, it's not for the advertisers anymore, folks!!!! WHAT IS IT FOR????? I also don't see why you should invest to this anymore because they seem like a real ponzi now, and $60 is alot of money compared to $15. Also, what is the pending withdrawals for? They said it was for ad campaigns to end, but premium members get to withdraw right away? WTH? I might only invest if Paypal gives me any assurance that they are not a scam, they are not investigating them, and I get my money back if they turn to be a scam. I will report back here and tell you what they say. Barry, what do you say?
Guys, I'm pretty sure this is a scam now! They won't provide me an answer as to why you have to pay $60 for a premium account! I think your out $60 if you paid already Even if you get paid a bit, I doubt you will ever make back your $60. They will be gone before 5 months: