ok, so if you see someone stealing your car - just go tell them it's wrong from them to do, but if they choose not to stop, heaven forbid you call the cops
Too many people are afraid to be a snitch in the world outside of the internet. Just look at the people who worked for Michael Jackson... I get sickened by the thinking "I am not getting involved, its not my problem" as people are mugged, beaten, raped, killed, ripped off or whatever! I feel sorry for the person who thinks that I will stand by and watch or walk away, not me! I will view the victim as part of my family and go balistic on the stupid perp. Next time you feel its not your problem and you walk away, just think about someone ignoring the problem and it being you or your loved one being harmed.
There was a reason that Seinfeld ended the way it did... You can't just stand around while others get taken advantage of, we have a duty to our fellow man... Now, I have to go take some lunch money from the high school kids, back in a jiffy...
And that is why they go overboard every chance they get Online. Now, before we take this somewhat ridiculous thread any further... I will just say: 1. I am an adwords user and adsense publisher. 2. I spend a lot of money in general on PPC (not just google, lots of networks) 3. I HAVE been a victim of click fraud more than once, but only got my refund ONE time. As a result, I have adopted a policy of ONLY showing my ads on the Google search results (not content pages) because I just don't trust those websites anymore, too much money lost (or stolen as it may be)... So I think it is important to keep track of who is soliciting clicks for their websites... On the other hand, I think that Vlada is being misunderstood. It's not about turning in someone who "broke into your house" or "stole your car" or killed your dog (or whatever)... This person simply sent an email to someone he/she already had contact with, and *asked* for you to help out by clicking an ad, IF YOU WANT TO. You can't compare it to stealing a car. The person who sent the email is not FORCING you to click and ad, a thief will steal regardless of your consent. NOW, click fraud is BAD. We can't argue that... like I said earlier, it's really soured my personal view on PPC advertising, so yes there ARE victims. But it's not the same. Would I "rat" on someone who is riding the bus or subway without a card? No. Would I report EVERY spam email that I get? No, some maybe, not all... Would I rat out the guy who sent me that email? Nope... I would remove myself from his mailing list and forget about it... I am NOT the Google police and I refuse to be as petty as the guy asking me to click his ads. Everyone can do whatever they want, obviously, the Internet gives us that freedom and that is great, but don't be so quick to judge, it's not your place to judge others just as it is not theirs to judge you. I think that is probably what Vlada had in mind. I agree, live and let live. Ok, flame away!
Hey itsme, The person asking for the click is breaking the TOS and other adsense publishers know this, besides they are asking for help stealing my advertising money since I am an adwords buyer. That is stealing. I suppose the girl at the grocery store who forgot you gave her a 10 and started giving you the change for a 100 deserves for you to keep the money that belongs to the store?
Well you are now asking something diferent. Me, a regular human being, make a ton of mistakes... everyday I make mistakes. Some are big and some are small. If that girl gave me change for a $100 then SHE made the mistake, I did not force her into making the mistake, it's her fault. Would I take her money? NO. It makes no difference to me whether or not she works in a mom and pop shop or a multi national retail chain, I would not take the money, I'd point out that she made a mistake and help her keep her job. Would someone be willing to profit from one of MY mistakes? You bet they would, most people would. I wish it were different but it's just not. Here is a GREAT example: Have you ever heard of these companies? - godaddy.com - networksolutions.com If you order the wrong domain name *by mistake* and realise it 5 seconds AFTER you paid... then you contact them immediately and explain that there was a typo and you ordered the wrong domain... will they refund your money? NO! Not a chance. Are they "bad"? They are profiting from my mistake and refuse to reverse the order... I think we have double standards, that's why most people will argue that my example is crazy! Do you think it's crazy? I have to admit that I feel just as bad and ripped off by them not refunding my money as the guys who click my adwords... it sucks but that's the way it is. this is such a tough topic to argue because BOTH sides are right. It's like asking someone what the "right" religion is, or what's the best place to live? An impossible answer.
There is a difference though - they didn't ask you to make a typo. by asking someone to click on an ad so you can make money, is stealing from adword users. You are right - both sides have a point. some people don't want to turn them in, others do, that's fine. but for someone to argue 'well maybe their just kids or they are poor' as an excuse for someone stealing? that's what is pathetic. being a kid or not having money, or someone ate the homework, or whatever excuse someone wants to come up with - is NOT a reason for not reading and following the TOS.
I agree, it's wrong for them to do so... but there is nothing we can do to stop it. As long as people can make money on click fraud, spam, theft and so on... they will do it! The only choice we have is how to react, BUT we can't say that someone reacted wrong or right... just that you would have done it the same or differently.
vlada sounds like just another scammer who hasn't yet quite realized that the rest of us stick together against crooks. Stopping crime is what makes society work, letting crime flourish is what will bring down the empire...
Yea, afterall, look at what happened to Peter Parker Sorry, just had to lighten things up a bit... Carry on
I really don`t know how old are you people, but this discussion is funny. I SAID LETS GOOGLE MAKE DECISION DOES HE CHEATING OR NOT. Does one email should be enough for making judge decision? I DON`T KNOW. Maybe some make him a ful. Maybe this, maybe that.. I think that noone could know what is REALLY happened except, in this case, Google, and only Google have evidence for FINAL oppinion.
We can so say someone acted right or wrong. Ignoring crime is wrong. Reporting it is right. Your non-judgemental PC **** belongs in a Wimpology 101 class not in the real world. Andi
Ok, time to chime in... vlada, you don't get it. You are in the extreme minority here and we are all looking at you wondering 'why the hell doesn't this guy get it'? You're fighting an uphill battle without a snowball's chance in hell of convincing us otherwise. Hopefully someday the light will go on for you and you'll understand why the rest of us think you're out in left field.
I agree (finally) Ignoring crime is VERY WRONG, but making a someone a criminal without enough evidence is much worst. I keep reading about people baned from adsense from this or that reason. and, btw, I haven`t any problems with adsense. Iam user since march. I had check paid after first month. Iam architect, and designer. And only thing that is important for me is keep an eye on web logs. If everyone keep his own backyard clean there will be no place for junk..
you are right - google will make the decision, not us. but that doesn't mean that we can't let them know about it. and that is the point. give them the information, let them handle it. you call it snitching, i call it being moral....to each their own. btw - not that age matters, but i am old enough to know better then to steal....and mature enough not to run and hide from conflict just because being honset about it isn't 'popular' with everyone.
I compleately agree with you "itsme" in your #47 comments!! Also, judging lightly and swiftly is so easy: let say I want to get rid of some competition: I send this incriminating letter and sign as my foe...wait for the eager ones, the brave, the judgemental, the ritheuss... or maybe report it myself Im am allways suspisious at quick and fierry reactions to anything... Maybe Vlada is reacting as someone who's done something wrong and been burnt... maybe, I don't know... BUT, maybe the rest of you are reacting as you would do anything and also very gladly if it was for your benefit, maybe not so eager if it wasnt your own interest.. Its easy to hide behind morals... And those wichhunters WERE fingting against the dark prince and his minions, right? And those who pointed fingers, they were allways true, and those pointed at always the guilty ones..., right? This is the reason why the law sistem invented trials... to hear some more, not to judge on the first hint... and to determine the degree of the guilt... see ya...
Umm, it's no which hunt. The email is proof, plain and simple, "<margot>". (Pretty odd topic for a first post, by the way...)