Okay. But, what I have seen you doing is attacking someone unfairly for their personal beliefs and stating something as true that is not. You used the same ploy in your attack against me.
Rob, there have been many interpretations of that speech. I should have said "incorrect" above, not "correct impression." To be sure, I just did a find on the content and don't see "mission accomplished." Bush was right, at the time. Major combat operations had ended. I don't think they anticipated the influx of terrorists from neighboring countries to kill Iraqi people at such a grand scale. Were it not for the terrorists flowing in from neighboring countries and killing Iraqis, things certainly would have been a lot different right now. If something has surfaced recently that indicates there was some correlation to the "Mission Accomplished" banner the crew hung for accomplishing their mission and Bush ordering the sign to be put up, I'll be happy to stand corrected.
Gtech, it was a PUBLICITY STUNT! Just like the Saddam statue. Really? I've read the whole trasnscript a few times. And from what I can tell it's 100% modern day English (my first language )! What a bazzar event that was!
Such as? And again, I suggest you are not following other threads. If attacking the US and Israel and Chrsitians and Jews is your perception of compassion, then at least I know where you stand. Are you suggesting that I'm insensitive and intolerant of another who has time and again expressed hatred with the US and calling for the coalition out of Iraq, but when asked "does that mean you want the terrorists to win?" goes to great lengths to avoid any commentary?
If they didnt anticipate it they they shouldnt really be running the country should they ? I kinda figured it would go like this and I aint the sharpest tool in the box
Does the transcipt mention "mission accomplished" and is there a source that shows the administration put the banner in place? I'll be happy to stand corrected, however, I've not seen anything to the contrary.
Okay, mea culpa. I have not religiously read every post on every political thread on this forum, though I have regularly dipped in to catch the gist of the day's latest statements. Please do me the favour of showing me where Gworld states he hates the US, Israel, Christians or Jews.
Who can ever anticipate everything in war? I'm not saying they didn't anticipate some insurgency, but I can't help but think they didn't plan on so many terrorists infiltrating from other countries to kill Iraqis. Which always surprises me when people say "we should pull out." And make matters worse? Doesn't make sense to me.
I suspect if it said "be kind to a terrorist" it probably wouldn't have been there But seriously, I've seen nothing that suggest the crew themselves was not taking pride in their mission and had displayed the banner "mission accomplished" on their ship, in celebrating their return home. I will stand corrected though, if there is something that suggests otherwise. How much more tolerant can I be
If you are looking for a direct quote that says "I hate Christians and Jews," I'm afraid you are out of luck. One would come to this conclusion based on the constant attacks (many unfounded) on Christians, Jews, America and Israel which are scattered throughout the "what can you do to stop terror" thread. Sorry, but you are welcome to spend time reading over a thousand posts in the "what can you do to stop terror" thread. For me to sit and try and find the remarks made throughout that thread would take hours on end. And in the end, you may simply dismiss them. It shouldn't take more than a few hours. And if after that, and you honestly don't see the hatred of the US, Israel, Christians and Jews, let me know.
Uhm, to whoever wrote the following unsigned rep: idiot. You should really educate yourself before getting involved in debate such as this. Your views show that you support terrorism whether you know or not. You know, I don't believe so. I don't even think you are an idiot. I think you are a sad, little man who has not the imagination to see beyond the nearest Mickey D's and I am sorry for you. Peace be with you, dude.
Sure, without question. Why else would he get decked out in his flight suit and land on the carrier? I also beleive he was thankful for the mission they accomplished. I don't think they are mutually exclusive. I honestly believe the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the crew and not directed by the administration. I also believe it was intentionally used as a backdrop. Is that a bad thing?
And the reason it has got to this situation is a) Noone in the middle East believes the Iraqi government wont be a US one in disguise b) Lack of anticipation, lack of planning The fact is this: If my management of one of your sites had gone as bad as this I would be fired and sued, then you would get someone else in to do the job. Deny that. Its NOT about pulling out, its about letting the Iraqis decide who gets the Contracts for OIl, reconstruction. If the US pulls out (it cannot be a fast process and will take along time anyway) then these attacks will dramatically reduce. Is Iraq not the birthplace of humanity ?
e10, don't worry about it. I've been attacked with red numerous times with outrageous comments. I'm sure you can only imagine I wish people would resist the "terrorist style" attack with red and run, and join in and debate. Express their views and be heard. That's what I enjoy about debating here, even though I can go overboard sometimes.
He cares about the camera - the president has to these days. it is propaganda, he was also thankful for landing safely, it not raining, having all his limbs blah blah. That is NOT the point Rob is making. It was a Glamour shot designed to fill 30 seconds of news with a quick flash of "we've won the war" Yeah, they always have a load of mission accomplised banners that will stand out against the background and look great on camera lying around. Theres noway there could have been a PR person somewhere near the cameramen, sound engineers, photographers, interviewer.. Yes. because I am number 1 in the world!!! ..for "slight green widgets with that are only available in packs of 6,12 or 24" in www.Google.mongolia Kinda MIDLY misleading... but I could convince some that I was a great SEO