Thank god I found this thread. I was ranking in the top 50 for my keyword, I built a ton of links one day and the next day I was in the top 200. Has anyone noticed how long it takes for Yahoo to move you back to your previous place after a big link growth? Also given this phenomenon, wouldn't it be advisable to just do a massive link campaign right when you launch your site? That way you can start off with a ton of links and then move into a small sustained link building process.
took about a week or so? could have been a little longer. But that was in my case. I am not sure how they determine. As for the idea of massive links prior to your main promotion, I thought about it. It could be a way to do. But then I am not sure if that can be a bigger penalty or what. Either way you still need links. It's a matter of how you should do and can be careful about it. I concluded that link building should be a rather slower process than we want. Especially if you want a higher SERPs and would like to keep it as high as possible at any time.
I've come to call this "phenomenon" the YAHOO YOYO. I was there in March till May, going up and down. Actually, now that I've read this thread and think back... I read somewhere that recips tend to cause too much problems later on because it's just impossible to keep track of whether sites are linking back to you or if they turn black hat. I was adding links at the rate of maybe 10 a day. When I read this, I thought "yeah... some sites seems to kill my link once they've secured a link-back on my site". And I WAS having problems with one or two sites that suddenly changed from the ones that I linked to originally (probably the sites were bought over). While I was busy building recips, I noticed that I was bouncing around in the Yahoo YoYo!. I decided to do something about it. I gradually removed all non-link-back sites, then unrelated link categories, leaving only related links in related categories. I stopped recip linking for the sake of recip linking. I also concentrated on building one-way links via article marketing and improving my content. All these seem to have had a positive effect (fingers crossed). My sites stopped bouncing around and have remained stabilized for some time now.
hmmmmmmmm yes its dropped for that particular keyword, not the site, its more than one week for me, no up trend. Jalika
I have noticed this myself. I added some links on CraigsList and my rank on Yahoo went down. After a few days, I noticed it had bounced back up.
I've seen the same thing myself, but the cumulative effect of link building time far outweighs the short-term downswings in the SERPS. Google also seems to have a link age filter where if you grab too many links too qukckly, then your site sometimes gets penalized by becoming "supplemental results". Also, only building 10 links a day seems like a slow build to me. If I had to guess the search engines probably have a % growth filter where if one page or a whole site gets too many links by % then it's abnormal growth and thus is penalized. That is why newer and smaller sites see this phenomenon more than larger sites. 10% of 100 links is only 10 links, but 10% of 1,000 links is 100, thus the site with 1,000 backlinks has more room to grow by percentage.
This kinda suggests that one should be careful with link co-op schemes, which are automatically acquiring backlinks for you every day. I think I need to go login to my co-op account and adjust my 'links per day' setting... Cryo.
I have also noticed the same thing. I doubled the backlinks in a month for one of my client. All links are free one way links. Got #1 rank in Google. But with Yahoo! it is fluctuating anywhere between 1 to 100. I don't know what to say to client about this as this is chirtmas season and it is important to them. Is it possible to submit 10 directories / day. If we do so, at end of 2nd month there is possibility to have NO LINKS. what is the conclusion?
I have not noticed that too anytime for any of my site...i have suffered from little ups and downs by Yahoo and i get links to my website slowly and easily so there is no problem in it. Writing articles is also best. Puneet M
I noticed it aswell i was no1 for a couple of my keywords, I added some more links to increase rankings else where and dropped 5 places in yahoo, Have found now that it is starting to climb up again but very slowly.
Of course there are certain SEO tricks and hacks but there is no secret way to instantly build links and rank high in Google. Building PR takes time.
I have heavily sufferd from this problem, some of my top sites which ranked among top 10 has gone down and some are no where to be found and some have gone down to 100, this is crazy
If this is true, how can we balance our links to get good positions in both Google and Yahoo? As we know, we're in a hurry with building tons of links to rank well in Google and at the same time we'll take it slowly for Yahoo?
Link buillding is not just a manual process. People who automatically link to you without asking is also link building. I you have a good article and it's popular everywhere, then it's not uncommon to have tens of sites linking to you daily. This should never have a negative effect on search engine ranking, actually the opposite.
This could potentially explain a recent decline in rank in Yahoo for my site. MSN and Google didn't drop at all. Yahoo moved me from the first page to the 3rd page (or worse) on virtually every keyword. But I haven't added links in large numbers for several weeks, unless you count those sites that link to you on every page on their site - I nailed a couple of those recently. Specifically how fast is too fast? Does it depend on how many links you already have?