Any Christians here?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by webmustang, Aug 12, 2007.

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    Christ followers? How do U reason with this?

    Christian?
    Christian?

    Every Christian is supposed to be a "follower of Jesus" right?
    But do we realize that Jesus was a "follower" too?

    Doing of his Father’s will was uppermost at all times in the mind of Jesus is apparent from his own testimony:

    “I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge, and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek not my own will but the will of him that sent me.”

    “Because I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me.”

    “My food is for me to do the will of him that sent me and to finish his work.”—John 4:34; 5:30; 6:38, (http://tinyurl.com/33p2bq)


    PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS AND BARE WITH ME


    If U were to ask anyone instructions on "how to pray", who would U chose?

    Graham? Olsteen? John Paul II? or Jesus?

    Luke 11:2 (http://tinyurl.com/2784vz)

    "one of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.” So He said to them, “When you pray, say:

    (To whom)Our Father in heaven,[a]
    1-Hallowed be Your name.
    2-Your kingdom come.
    3-Your will be done
    On earth as it is in heaven."

    That was a direct question with a direct answer by Jesus.

    Please keep in mind that Jesus spent his ministry years exclusivly doing ONE thing, his father's will, which was mostly about announcing the Good News of God's Kingdom to come....

    Jesus Christ instructed his followers to engage "spreading the Good News". “As you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.”’ (Matt. 10:7; 4:12-17)

    With that in mind, I am CERTAIN that no Christian would dare to assume that Jesus made random statements.

    Jesus, in the model prayer put the "keep your name holy, hallow thy name, sanctify your name" the "father's name" ahead of the Kingdom and the Will.

    Could it mean that giving Glory and praise to the NAME of the Father matters?


    John 17:26 (http://tinyurl.com/28chla)

    and (A)I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that (B)the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."

    Jesus is essentialy declaring in his prayer to His father, God, that making God's name known to them (disciples, followers, us) allows God's love with which God loved Jesus to be in them (disciples, followers, us)

    The Love with which God loved Jesus, is the love that held the promise of the resurection.

    There is nothing to argue, these words are simple and clear.


    Malachi 3:16 (http://tinyurl.com/22vwle)

    Then those who feared the LORD spoke to one another,
    And the LORD listened and heard them;
    So a book of remembrance was written before Him
    For those who fear the LORD
    And who meditate on His name.

    Here we have wonderful statement of hope, those who meditate, think on His name will be remembered by Him... The LORD... The trick is that in the ""old testament"", the Hebrew scriptures, LORD, all capitalized is not Jesus...

    In the model prayer AND here above AND over 100 times in the old and new testament, the name doesn't have a plural option...

    "Hallow by thy nameS" is NOT what Jesus taught.

    Would anyone assume that Jesus was approximative in his teachings, especially regarding the prayer!?

    The name of God is as U know by now, YHVH, (Jehovah) as Jesus' is Yeshua (http://tinyurl.com/23y6h9)

    Exodus 6:3 (New King James Version) http://tinyurl.com/3ac274
    King James http://tinyurl.com/3ac274

    I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name LORD[a] I was not known to them.

    Footnotes: [a]Exodus 6:3 Hebrew YHWH, traditionally Jehovah

    EVERY TIME in UR Bible U read "LORD" in the Hebrew (old testament) it actually REPLACED "YHVH"...

    In the Hebrew Scripture, the personal name of GOD, YHVH used to appear 6828 times and was removed and replaced by a title, not a name, LORD. (http://tinyurl.com/2kyg8n)

    Now, some may say that the name changed from the old to the new testament, but there is NO scriptural back up to this statement, on the contrary, there are many scriptures to support the contrary:

    Romans 10:13 : "For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
    Paul was quoting Joel 2:32: "And it must occur that everyone who calls on the name of YHVH will get away safe"

    Matt 22:37 He said to him: “‘You must love God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind"

    Jesus was quoting Moses in Deuteronomy 6:5 "And you must love YHVH your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your vital force."

    Matt 4:4 But in reply he said: “It is written, ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through the mouth of God.’”

    Jesus was quoting Moses in Deut 8:3 :"in order to make you know that not by bread alone does man live but by every expression of YHVH (Jehovah)’s mouth does man live."

    Are the religeous leaders (pasters, preachers, priests etc supposed to be Christ Followers that duplicate the pattern that Jesus has set forth?

    John 13:15 Jesus: "For I set the pattern for YOU, that, just as I did to YOU, YOU should do also."

    Are the religeous leaders of Ur church making "the name known" as Jesus strived to?

    John 17:26 (http://tinyurl.com/28chla)

    and (A)I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that (B)the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."

    Does it matter if they don't?

    Who's reasonning matters to U?

    God's view point on it or men's view point on it?

    Ask Ur Preacher, pastor, priest what is the "name" that we need to Hallow?

    Will he be enthousiatic to reply to U and answer or will he beat around the bush?

    Does it matter to God the enthousiasm with which U are given an answer to that simple question?

    Read what God, Father of Jesus has to say about that...


    Malachi 2:1-2

    “And now this commandment is to YOU, O priests. If YOU will not listen, and if YOU will not lay [it] to heart to give glory to my name,” YHVH (Jehovah) of armies has said, “I shall also certainly send upon YOU the curse, and I will curse YOUR blessings. Yes, I have even cursed the [blessing], because YOU are not laying [it] to heart.”

    Matthew 12:34

    For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

    Like it or not, if Ur preacher, pastor, priest DOES NOT give GLORY (amplies enthousiasm) to God's Name, Jehovah (YHVH), he is cursed, and that is NOT according to Jerome, but to God, Jehovah.

    It says the EXACT same thing in EVERY Bible out there...

    SO why in the world do they NOT give Glory to the Name???

    Here is Ur answer...http://tinyurl.com/2hoboo

    Like it or not.

    There is over 100 scriptures that back up how crucial, paramount, pivital, essential, undeniable, indispensable knowing and using God's name, YHVH (Jehovah) is.

    That is why we DO NOT TRUST any publication other than ours, because the others hide the true name of God and try to make it forget from the people.

    We, for certain work HARD to not let anyone make God's name be forgotten

    http://tinyurl.com/yq9d3z

    There is only one Truth and it starts in the Bible. If Ur religious """"Christian"""" leader does NOT give glory to God by using his name as ORDERED, COMMANDED, INSTRUCTED by God himself and His Son, they are CURSED, could they then have the Holy Spirit's guidance?

    This so simple, it's scary!

    Sincerly
    JKJ

    Once again all scriptural back up can be found in ANY Bible!
     
    webmustang, Aug 12, 2007 IP