Anti-War Protestor Assaults Girl in Wheelchair

What's astounding to me is that no one freaking knows, yet all are basing "what went down" on hearsay. Propaganda on "both" sides and equally useless without video proof.

 

What do you mean no one knows? German Talis in his own words.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=1709

W.A.C. is planning a legal defense fund to fight this.

 

The more you post, the more I really don't know what sort of logical framework you come from, Guerilla; I really don't.

Talis is a party to the dispute.

What the hell kind of "proof" is his testimony as to what actually happened? Absent verifiable, third party proof, we'll never know. So posting crap like:

"gets assaulted." "neocon brown shirt." Horseshit, for all we know, just as the charge that the guy belted the wheelchair-bound girl, for whatever reason, is horseshit, for all we know. Maybe the dad is just a dad, who did what any dad would have done, mopped the street with the head of an asshole assaulting his child. Or Talis belted the girl outright, because he's a psychotic prick (inexcusable). Or he belted the girl because she belted him (also inexcusable, in my ethos). Or any number of other, as yet, unknowable, scenarios.

Stating something currently unknowable as fact, and with such emotion-laden buzzwords, is nothing short of propaganda. As I said.

 

I honestly get the feeling the 'Talis' guy did not do any fighting as when he was in the back of the police van the cop never said anything about assault, or did I miss it? Sounded like he was being arrested for where he was at, not any violence committed on his end.

 

What are you basing the police van information on, Grim? Can you provide a link?

 

The video, at the end The video that is posted in this thread.

 

See post #7 in this thread.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlvMl6R3rJQ starts at about 6:20 in. Could be I missed something.

 

You mean Will is doing the same thing as you are? Hell, Guerilla, guess that's why I wrote:

Read much?

 

NPT, you wrote

You bought the article, now you claim no one knows?

 

Grim, here's what I see.

1. The camera breaks "during the assault."

2. The "eyewitness" woman is obviously an acquaintance of "Gary," whom she references continually by first name. She is not a disinterested party.

3. You also missed it - the cop did say he was a suspect in assault. It is at 6:59, on the dot. You may have to listen a couple of times, The cop names the charges under which Talis is a suspect. Immediately after "criminal trespass," something ending with "...lee," then, "possibly assault."

Other than this, the most glaring thing to me, and I would think it would raise a flag to you, by your own concern - the "assault was never mentioned in the cop interview" (it was, actually):

The lady stated the guy was JUST WAILING on "Gary." Just wailing? Beating the living shit out of the guy? Yet during the interview, the interviewing cop never once notes a single injury, or seeks to provide medical care of any kind - not a bandaid to the guy's face, in what had to have been substantial injuries, given his "wailing," during that same 6:47-7:10 interview?

Sorry, man - the preponderance so far suggests anything but the suggested scenario.

 

Even 'suspected' assault to me surely appears not to be the case for the reason this thread was started. Something tells me if this guy beat the hell out of someone in a wheel chair, more than one cop would be loading this guy up like they did, nor would they be as easy on him, or simply state 'suspected assault'.

Just does not jive with me that he went off on a wheel chair bound girl with the way the cop acted, not one bit at all.

 

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yep, you're right. My first post was a kind of "WTF" to Will's extrapolating from one guy to anyone involved in wanting an end to this war. But I initially glossed over the incident itself, and that was wrong.

It was after your posting of infowars, third party hearsay, that brought me to ask what any of us are doing, posting as fact something that apparently can't be known. In other words, to borrow from another thread, my position "evolved."

It isn't known. Saying so to aid one particular political camp or another is propaganda. If you'll review my reply to Grim, I am not exactly swayed by the "eyewitness" accounts thus far.

 

This is a loony thread with propogandists from both political sides trying to make their case.

Their is not one shred of independent evidence as to exactly what happened.

How wierd that the camera broke at the time of the incident.

 

I don't know, Grim. You first said nothing was mentioned of an assault, and it was - the cop charged him with criminal tresspass, something else (I can't make out), and assault. Additionally, the guy was already cuffed and loaded. We don't know how many cops were initially involved, or how long this took place after whatever happened.

That said, you're only addressing one of my points. What about the others?

The "eyewitness" was a personal (interested) acquaintance, interviewed by an interested party, from the same interest?

Talis was "wailed on," absolutely pummelled, but there is absolutely nothing suggesting he received even a nose-flick? C'mon, man - you're having a problem with the dearth of cops after the fact of his being detained, cuffed and already in the van, but not the obvious lack of injury to the guy, in the van, who himself isn't screaming "WHAT THE FUCK? I'M a suspect in assault? Look at me, man! He beat the crap out of me!!!" should what happened is to have happened as reported by the "eyewitness?" Grim - really?

Anyway, all else aside, ultimately, this is precisely my point. We don't know. There's nothing there to show what happened. So to say so - either as Will has done, or Guerilla - is useless, in my opinion.

 

your initial respond is actually pointing out the main point propaganda.
the guilt or innocent of this individual shall be determined later.

 

In a word, agreed.

 

I never said the guy was pummeled Hence why I have stayed out of that area as we do not know.

I only have been responding to the point of this thread from the beginning, a guy who supposedly beat the hell out of wheel bound female, as reported by an actual news agency. To me I do not buy this one bit based off of the footage at the end, I honestly do not buy that a guy who beat up a wheel bound female is going to be treated the way he was, only once bringing up 'possible assault' I just don't buy it one bit.

 

Grim, you pointed me to the video. The point made in that video was that Talis was pummelled. And we go from there.

What you did say was:

Your quote above said that you don't feel there could have been a fight, since the cop didn't saying anything about an assault. Without knowing more, we do have that this isn't true. The cops charged him with assault. We don't know anything else.

And now, the sticking point for you seems to be that the cops aren't amped on this guy, during the interview, handcuffed and in the van.

Who knows? We don't even know if this cop was the arresting cop, or just a cop on standby at the van - in which case, he's reporting what he knows to be the charges. Perhaps the arresting cop is sitting on the curb, biting his hand, so as not to waylay the guy who beat the shit out of a wheelchair victim. Or, he's not a fan of bush, has a kid in the war, and has told someone else to handle it, because it's too close to home. In other words, who the hell knows? All I can tell you is that I've worked around cops, military, public personnel (i.e., mental health workers) (guess that makes me a fascist police state guy), and women's groups as an outgrowth of my martial arts instruction, training them in tactical defense and/or assault prevention, depending on the need. In my experience, cops can get amped, and they can wrongfully lose their shit - but they cool down quickly.

Again, ultimately, we just don't know what happened. As I said:

May I suggest that rather than trying to conjecture on what happened, you join me in saying, none of us know, and can we stop the propaganda on all sides?

 

I agree with GRIM, there is no way in the world he would have been treated as nicely as he was by the police if he had beaten some wheelchair bound Bush lover.