From a logical perspective, they support the right of a child to be born and have an opportunity. They support executing off those that would otherwise commit crimes against the child and/or kill others. What doesn't make sense? One deserves an opportunity, the other had the opportunity and caused death to another. Turn it around. Many support abortion and killing an innocent child and denying it the opportunity to life. The very same are opposed to the death penalty of someone who murders others. How much sense does that make? Kill the innocent, but give the guilty a pass? Can't say I understand that logic at all. First one makes sense. Second makes no sense at all. No problem.
well for one up to a certian point the baby isn't a person it fetus, its more like a sea horse I don't think its good to abort babies but I don't think the government should tell people what to do with their bodies If we convicted the right person every time then the death penalty would be fine, but we don't .
Then you have the crazies like me who support a womans choice but also supports the death penalty with certain restrictions, 'enough proof, and only the most severe of crimes'
on a whole the thought executing people is barbaric, most first world countrys don't do it Its also pretty much totally against christainity, not that is problem with me
Hi everyone... what a big thread you have here. I am against the war in iraq, I am for the right of women to choose, and I am pro death. I am also pro "kickenbushoutofoffice"
Lets look at some high lights of Christian history: Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain. Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469] According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..." The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415. Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde". Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed. [WW32-35] Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183] Estimated one million victims (Cathar heresy alone), Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians.Number of Jews slain unknown. 694 17. Council of Toledo: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. 1096 First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered, maybe 12.000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) 1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). 1492 In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492. [MM470-476] 1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain. Catholic extermination camps Surprisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practicing Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children! In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar -orthodox-Christian Serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdienst der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them. [MV] The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read: "Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp." It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - ; mostly in street riots ; - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps. In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups. For quite some time I heard only rumors about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church. Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated: "Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix. According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia. In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive..." Priests get death sentence for Rwandan genocide BBC NEWS April 19, 1998 A court in Rwanda has sentenced two Roman Catholic priests to death for their role in the genocide of 1994, in which up to a million Tutsis and moderate Hutus were killed. You can read more at: VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH You can also add about 200,000 Muslims that were killed by Christians in Bosnia. As you can see, Hitler did not do anything that was not done by Christian religion before him. I can see why Gtech admires Christianity so much, a religion with so much killing must be a religion that he can worship.
Thats funny, since the majority of Americans call themselves Christians, I wonder why the majority of Americans are now having sex befor marriage? That's something you can easily control of yourself, yet they do it anyway....hmmm...
Actually they support taking away the right of a woman (or girl) (and in some cases a man's input) to chose if she wants to be a mother or not. They also support FORCING a woman that doesn't want to be a mother to have the child anyway. Do you really think that child is going to have an real oppotunities in life? I suggest you read this for one of thousands of examples of CHILD ABUSE. Then they support JUDGING and TAKING ANOTHER PERSONS LIFE. Current scientific theories show that chemical imbalances and abnormalities in the brain and body can cause a person to be prone to violence and crimes. What if these people are BORN that way? What if they don't have a choice? You support taking their life instead of curing them.... Then there's always the innocent people who get screwed by our legal system and are executed having never committed a crime..... but you can justify that I'm sure....
You can't blame Gtech for that. I don't think he gets laid at all and that is the reason he likes to kill people instead.
Yes many call themselves Christians in America, yet have no idea what it is they are saying. Start asking them why they call themselves Christians and many won't know or will say something like "my parents are and use to go to church." Going to a church makes you a christian as much as standing in a garage makes you a car. Then again, gworld and yo-yo are right calling Christians hypocrites. But I have to ask you both - can you say that you are not?
OMFG... what a load of liberal crap. It amazes me how liberals want to murder the concept of personal responsibility. Nothing is ever their fault -- it's all George W. Bush's fault. Try this on for size -- if the criminal is so broken that they are biologically prone to violence and crime, then a mercy killing is the best possible solution. Some things you just can't cure. Liberal stupidity, for example...
BTW, my first child was 2 when I met him. If we followed the rules of the norm, he would not be here today. What do they tell a pregnant 16 year old to do with her baby? Abort... Abort.... I also would have never met my wife if it wasn't for her knowing she had to do what was right. This caused her to make a huge change in her life. Sometimes we have to be responsible for our own actions in order to learn and grow. (We also did wait until marriage to.... well, you know.... I least I hope you know.... hint - we now have 6 kids!)
Will; Did your mom let you play with your xbox again, so you are all ready to kill some one? It does not seem to me that you really care about the problem and how effective or not the justice system and government is, as long as you can get a satisfaction of seeing some one dies or you can express your desire to kill some one. My country social system is far from perfect but let's compare our results with killing machine government in USA. The total number of murders in Canada for 2003 was about 500, the number of murder in USA was about 15000. Since the population in USA is about 7 times of Canada, it means with the same murder rate, USA should have had only 3500 murders and not 15000 or 450% higher than us. Let's not forget that murder rate in European country without death penalty is even lower than Canada. Statistics show that the death penalty is even counterproductive: a 2000 FBI report shows that homicide rates have been consistently lower in states without the death penalty. The homicide rate in states with the death penalty has always been higher (sometimes as much as 100% higher) than in states without the death penalty. The South accounts for over 80% of the US' executions and still has the highest number of homicides: are southerners genetically evil or is the death penalty a factor that increases the number of homicides? Also let's look at the cost of actually killing some one through the legal system: Florida $3,500,000, Texas $2,500,000, this is usually 2-3 times the cost of having some one in prison for life. What is the average cost of having people in death row: $1,000,000, the number of people in death row in USA 4000, total cost 4,000,000,000, isn't better to spend the money in inner city ghettos, so people do not need to commit crimes or join gangs? Killing people inside the USA as a punishment or killing people in Iraq as an instrument of foreign policy is not a solution, identifying the causes and correcting it, is the only solution that works.
Are you sure that death penalty comes first and more homicides come second because I have a feeling that death penalty is there because of so many homicides, thus probably reducing the phenomenon that would be much worse! At least who killed once and was executed won't kill again! Or am I wrong? Anyway in Canada there are much less opportunistic immigrants and illegal parasites that usually head for the areas that represent their best opportunity to snatch a living, and the US are a better choice for them, as much as the UK is rather than France or other countries in Europe. BTW, did I say that I am against the death penalty and I would question life imprisonment as I would like to evaluate alternatives. Still, criminals should stay away very well locked up for a suitable period of time and should work and pay for themselves in the meantime until they are considered fit for social life again. And that opportunity not all in one go, but carefully planned so they can blend back in gradually, minimizing society's unjust risks.
So if a person believes in God and accepts Jesus as their savior are they not Christians? I believe I remember a priest telling me that's all I had to do to be saved....Who decides? Maybe you don't want them to be considered Christians because of the bad example they set
Sounds like something an Imbred redneck would say So if giving someone an injection of chemicals would balance them to never have the desire to commit another violent act, you'd rather murder them. Bravo Bravo Yes, You are wrong. The death penalty has been around for thousands of years. Witch Hunts.. for example... People fear what they don't understand so they destroy it. It's always been that way, and most likely always be. And Guess.. it's never solved anything.