nice find mike... Leave the debating to the rest, sit on the side and cheerlead your team.. Read the quaran and come back... Disclaimer: I am not muslim, hindu, jew or christian. In no way do I hate 250 million people (america) I dont actually see it as very different to the UK either (which I dont hate either).. Mike do you see a difference between someone who says "the way the war was gone about was wrong" and someone that says "death to all infidels"???
Wow, heated debate. Just like any religion the quran does to a degree incite violence from what I know although I will admit I am not very educated on the subject and admit I should be a bit more before taking part in such a discussion. However again this is any religion, even the bible has multiple phrases inciting and killing 'enemies' of the religion does it not?
Ill give you 2 good reasons why it wouldnt be racist: 1. Islam is not a race. 2. Terror is not a race. More ignorance. You might want to look for the correlation between tradgey and terror or mental stability and terror or revenge and terror.
Did you notice that while other quotes in that page has a reference to Koran, the above quote offers no reference. Who ever wrote that article must be Gtech soul-mate on the other side.
When attacked or threatened. Most religions have done and do preach some violence. Hinduism and buddhism are both passive religions though.
There have been countless accusations of racism in this thread towards those who have the courage to call upon the facts. Everytime there is some sort of debate over religion, you seem to come off as defending Islam and implying that we are out to kill brown people. I'm trying to figgure out why.
Enemies of the religion? Don't know about that one. Are you lobbing it out to see it validated? We've had these before. Here's how it usually goes: Fence sitter says all religions have some good and bad (quest for moral equivalence) gworld says the bible is filled with hatred and killing. When asked to quote from the New Testament, refuses, instead choose select passages from the old testament because he knows that's all he can find. Another fence sitter will come along and throw in three or four anti-Bush passages that have nothing to do with it. Demands for proof unfold. They are met, and of course, discarded and move on to the next "gotcha." Someone tries to proclaim moral equivalence of Jerry Falwell in comparison to islamist extremists. Not realizing, of course, Jerry Falwell doesn't incite people to go out and murder others. But it doesn't matter, none-the-less, it must be said. Then the usual "islam doesn't say anything about killing others" and the response with direct passages that clearly show it does. Ignore that, move on to the next level of defending something that is indefensible. Wait six weeks. Repeat cycle, repeat passages, repeat xyz, never learn.
Thank you for the info design agent I used to read up on religions a few years back, but have come to the conclusion I realy don't care in most cases currently. However even though I am not religious 'even though I was raised Lutheran' I should know more about it again as some people to take it to heart for much if not all of their beliefs. This discussion might be just what I needed to do some research on the subject. Sorry don't intend this in a bad way but I actually believe I knew that? but also in the same sentence don't count them in my mind at least when thinking of religion on a whole. I realise this is bad on my part and honestly believe it comes much from my upbringing. That being said, I'm going to sit in the corner again for a little while and have another drink.
Calling someone a racist takes no effort. It's a cop out. It takes no skill to say it. Can't debate with facts, upset because their views are invalidated. When nothing else will work, lob out "racist!" I see it in the same light as "Too lazy to work? Collect some welfare!" Why work at something when you can take the easy road out?
Nope actually there are multiple phrases in the bible on that and I actually did a quick 10 minutes of research on it before posting just to make certain, and my wife a very informed person so to speak on the bible even agrees with me on that one Not bashing the bible, simply stating it's common in all religions 'except where DA pointed out I was incorrect of course', unless someone else has some info.
From me 1 directed at will, that was it. You cant claim to know anything about facts.. do you see me dispute when Gtech says schools + hospitals are being built in Iraq NO because they ARE. Because it is not ISLAM thats the problem. I dressed up as a woman and murdered you, that would not mean you were murdered by a woman. Ive already told you you cant kill anything, although several in this forum have been threatening to kill people. Ever seen a dead body? ever seen someone get shot in the head? do you know what death near you caused by others really feels like? As far as brown people? It is you that associates terror and islam with brown people. Could i be 'brown' ? Maybe Im 'whiter' than you? Start by: READING THE QUARAN
Ah, well if your wife agrees with you and in fact you already knew, but were testing the waters looking for something, then by all means proceed! I presume you will be working from the Old Testament, correct? Here's your quote: Work your magic! Multiple phrases inciting and killing enemies of the religion.
Never. No, but I was there when a guy went crazy, emptied his gun into 2 people, one of them died in the hospital, the other one I took care of with my friends til the ambulance came and he lived. I can imagine, I seriously can. And a part of the reason we are so pissed, is because 9/11 has shown us that there is enough hatred within the world, that none of us is safe the way that things have been going on for years. Wrong, I have never associated any of this with color. If Sweden was run by an Islamic dictator dedicated to wiping out Israel, my enemies would look like 6'2'' blond blue eyed surfer dudes and it would be the same thing. I really don't think that I want to. It's too much hatred and anger in there calling upon Muslims to "conquer by the sword". Too fucking violent for me. Yes, the old Testament has violence, but Jesus never preached it.
No actually was not 'testing the waters' was not disagreeing with anyone, simply brought up a point as I was interested in those with knowledge with religions above my own. Not sure why you are attacking on it without bringing up and facts yourself as I was not attacking in the first place. When I was 17/18 in that general area I did lots of reading and research on religions, I however will admit I have not done such in a long time and will not 'debate' the merits of either side as I am not in position to. However to say the bible does not incite violence against enemies I must ask have you ever read the bible? Is there realy a need to? Anyone who has ever read the bible or done any research on the subject can plainly see there is inciting violence on enemies or those who do not 'please god' or do you dispute that? Not realy looking to get into it on this as I realy do not care, but if you're so against the bible not stating such things do you honestly believe it does not incite any violence against non believers, enemies of the religion, etc?
I know why you are pissed world trade centre remember.. it was the US that was attacked on 9/11 it was the global heart of the western economy. do you understand anything about the situation in Israel. Do you know which bits of Christanity, judaism and islam are IDENTICAL. Do you know muslims believe in jesus? here you go: Q. Do Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Jesus? A. Muslims believe that Jesus (called 'Isa in Arabic) was the son of Mary, and was conceived without the intervention of a human father. The Qur'an describes that an angel appeared to Mary, to announce to her the "gift of a holy son" (19:19). She was astonished at the news, and asked: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" (19:20). When the angel explained to her that she had been chosen for the service of God, and that God had ordained the matter, she devoutly submitted herself to His will. http://islam.about.com/cs/jesus/f/jesus_birth.htm
sigh...ten minutes of research to preface a statement and a confirming wife. I'm not attacking, I thought you were on to something and giving you an opportunity to display that research you had done. I guess I should have known my only option was to take your word for it.
In the bible God himself commanded the killing of those who did not listen to him. People didn't do the "incite to violence" this was during a time when he was protecting his people. He wanted those he considered "His" not to mix with others because they brought in beliefs of false gods and idol worship. There was a time He did this, when he accomplished the moving of His people to where he wanted them, you will only see the fights between their armies and those who attacked them. Beyond that period of time, is there any more? no. We are fighting a people who have a belief that they can call upon a jihad whenever they don't like someone. oh well, here comes some interesting attacks.
10 minutes of research to confirm what I thought my knowledge was on the subject, so no responce as to if you believe it or not? Why is there realy a need to put quotes on passages from the bible unless you have not read the bible before or researched it, if you haven't and I can still see 'having another drink' I'll gladly see if I can find at least one passage inciting violence against enemies, non believers, etc as I know 'or at least I think I do' those who know more feel free to correct me that they exist.
According to Gtech, the old testament is not part of the Bible. God just made some mistakes and even he did not correct it in New testament, we just assume that he did. The Anti-Semitism part in New testament is not a problem either since we pretend that we don't see it.