Anti-War 100,000 - Pro-War 400

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by gworld, Sep 25, 2005.

  1. Design Agent

    Design Agent Peon

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    #1661
    I wasnt referring to this thread or even your signature links.

    That shows me clear as day your ignorance. I dont agree with Gworld, Gtech, Will or anyone else entirely. So skip the you guys part
    Let me make it clear for you my stance:
    1. Saddam should have been removed forcibly years ago
    2. We never should have helped his campaigns + sold him weapons
    3. Saddam is a bad man, so are the people that attack numerous embassies, wtc and all manner of other civillian entities.
    4. "We" (being the western world as you put it) have far bigger weapons and resources, so we should try and set the example. Things like torture only tarnish us.
    5. We should not be at war without alot of world supoort. It destabilizes far more than Iraq
    6. The media in the US is very black and white about the war. Most in Europe arent - its all grey to us.
    7. I DONT want us to leave yet - I do want us to NOT be corrupt when we are doing what we do.
    8. I do not want UK or US soldiers to die for any reasons.

    :rolleyes: 'hippie mahatma Gandi shit' - Ghandi managed a PEACEFUL revolution. Hippies are from the 60s - no difference there then huh

    Becuase people ont agree with you doesnt mean they are complaining.
    Yeah right, I like to see MikeDamman the typist take out someone who spent the majority of thier life learning how to kill.
    Cut the crap - you are not and never will be built for killing anyone. I dont care if you are 1000% behind beating or whatevering him, You are a typist. Type.
     
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  2. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #1662
    I don't like zman. He's blue. I'm a racist, the remark on my last red rep says so. I'm a hillbilly and my people used to own smurfs before the War Between the States. :p

    And have you noticed that G-Tech's name sounds kind of like "G-World"? They could be multiple personalities. G-Tech is the smart one and G-World is the angry one. It's like Doctor G-Tech and Mr. G-World. :cool:
     
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    Design Agent Peon

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    #1663
    Whats a blue? and if the rep is from me it will say DA at the end dont worry. I like people to know when I disagree with them. ;) Im not from the US, so the whole smurfs thing goes straight over my head.

    Everyone already knows this.. just visit www.politicalarticlebots.com and download one for each side ;)
     
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  4. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #1664
    Ahh... another quote opportunity:
     
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    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    #1665
    Ghandi was up against Britain, and "you guys" were not barbarics following a religion that called upon you guys to kill Hindus.

    Bring it on :cool:;)
     
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  6. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #1666
    It's a joke. zman's avatar is blue. :D


    Wow... how to explain Smurf's...

    Ummm... they are blue...



    P.S. Trying to explain this joke to my wife... not so easy.
     
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    Design Agent Peon

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    #1667
    i know what a smurf is, just not in that context.
     
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    Design Agent Peon

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    #1668
    Never said we werent (although it wasnt my ancestors that did any of it).
    what religion says kill hindus? I thought we were doing it for the tea and gems.
     
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  9. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #1670
    Wasn't Sly a draft dodger?
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    #1671
    will would bust out his hamster style on him

    heres will

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  12. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #1672
    I have no idea Will. Just did a quick search on google and seems there is some speculation about it. Can't say I really want to know though. Always enjoyed the Rocky movies as well as the Rambo series.
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    #1673
    everything after the first one or two was garbage
     
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  14. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    Mike

    You are again showing how little you know about the world history. The indian fight for indepence from Brittish was long and bloody.

    "Threatened by such a radical turn of events, the British rulers poured in immense resources in arms and men to suppress the struggle. Although the rebels fought back heroically - the betrayal by a number of rulers such as the Sikh princes, the Rajasthani princes and Maratha rulers like Scindia allowed the British to prevail. Lord Canning (then Governor General) noted that " If Scindia joins the rebels, I will pack off tomorrow". Later he was to comment: " The Princes acted as the breakwaters to the storm which otherwise would have swept us in one great wave". Such was the crucial importance of the betrayal of the princes. The British were also helped by the conservatism of the trading communities who were unwilling to put up with the uncertanties of a long drawn out rebellion.

    But equally important was the superior weaponry and brutality of the British in defending their empire. British barbarity in supressing the uprising was unprecedented. After the fall of Lucknow on May 8, 1858 Frederick Engels commented: " The fact is, there is no army in Europe or America with so much brutality as the British. Plundering, violence, massacre - things that everywhere else are strictly and completely banished - are a time honoured privilege, a vested right of the British soldier ..". In Awadh alone 150,000 people were killed - of which 100,000 were civilians. The great Urdu poet, Mirza Ghalib wrote from Delhi, " In front of me, I see today rivers of blood". He went on to describe how the victorious army went on a killing spree - killing every one in sight - looting peoples property as they advanced.

    Bahadur Shah's three sons were publicly executed at "Khooni Darwaaza" in Delhi and Bahadur Shah himself was blinded and exiled to Rangoon where he died in 1862. Refusing to plead for mercy from the British, he courageously retorted: " The power of India will one day shake London if the glory of self-respect remains undimmed in the hearts of the rebels". Thomas Lowe wrote: "To live in India now was like standing on the verge of a volcanic crater, the sides of which were fast crumbling away from our feet, while the boiling lava was ready to erupt and consume us"

    " Hundreds were charged for sedition in the five Lahore Conspiracy Cases. According to one estimate, a total of 145 Ghadarites were hanged, and 308 were given sentences longer than 14 years. Several were sentenced to hard labour in the notorious prison known as Kala Pani in the Andamans.

    The Ghadarites were especially successful in winning over Indian soldiers in the British Army and enticing them to revolt. Soldiers in the Hongkong regiments were arrested and court-martialed for distributing Ghadar and sent back to India and imprisoned. Two Singapore regiments rebelled in Penang, but the rebellion was brutally crushed. In Rangoon in January 1915, the 130th Baluchi regiment revolted. 200 soldiers of this regiment were court-martialed. Four soldiers were hanged, 69 were given life imprisonment and 126 were given rigorous imprisonment for varying terms. Pandit Sohan Lal Pathak, one of the outstanding leaders of the Ghadar Party was hanged on February 10, 1916 in Mandalay jail for inciting rebellion against the British rule. The Party was also active amongst Indian soldiers in Iraq and Iran. As a result of their work, the 15th Lancers, stationed in Basra revolted and 64 soldiers were court-martialed. Similarly, the 24th Punjabi and 22nd Pahari regiments also revolted.

    But in spite of the tremendous repression unleashed by the British against the Ghadarites, the British were unable to stop a mass wave of revolutionary unrest in 1919. The closing months of 1918 and the first months of 1919 saw the opening of a strike movement on a scale never seen before. The Bombay mill strike extended to 125,000 workers. In spite of the Rowlatt Act of 1919 that sought to extend the provisions of martial law, a wave of mass demonstrations, strikes, and civil unrest confronted the British authorities. The British rulers were taken by surprise by the courageous resistance of the workers and the official Government Report for the year noted with alarmed amazement how Hindus and Muslims had resisted their power unitedly. Unsurprisingly, the British responded with extraordinary measures of repression.

    General Dyer's Jallianawala Bagh masssacre followed the strike wave, when an unarmed crowd of 10,000 Baisakhi celebrators was mercilessly attacked with over 1600 rounds of ammunition. "

    "Bhagat Singh and B.K. Dutt were tried in the Assembly Bomb Case. Later Sukhdev, Rajguru and tens of other revolutionaries were also tried in a series of famous conspiracy cases. Their fearless and unswerving attitudes in court became legendary. Every day they entered the court-room chanting slogans 'Inquilab Zindabad,' 'Down, Down with Imperialism,' singing songs like Sarfaroshi ki tamanna hai (our heart is filled with the desire of martyrdom) and Mere rang de basanti chola (dye my clothes in saffron, the color of courage and sacrifice).

    In March 1931, Rajguru, Sukhdev, and Bhagat Singh were hanged by the British in spite of tremendous popular opposition to their hanging. Bhagat Singh became a household hero, and his hanging led to an outpouring of grief and sorrow all over the nation."


    "After the Second World War, the momentum created by the Quit India movement led to growing militant actions that weakened British authority in an irreparable way. The World War had compelled the British into setting up Indian Navy units that recruited officers from various parts of India. The Indian naval men were mistreated and discriminated against, leading to a strike call in Februrary 1946. It quickly drew support from the Indian crews of all the 20 vessels anchored in Bombay port. 20,000 naval ratings went on strike. 'Victory to India', 'Long live the Revolution', and 'Hindus and Muslims Unite' were some of their slogans. The struggle soon spread to barracks in Thane and Delhi, and also to ships anchored in Karachi, Calcutta and Vishakapatnam. 200,000 workers in Bombay's factories downed their tools in solidarity. But leaders of the Congress including Gandhi and Maulana Azad were critical of the strike as was Jinnah of the Muslim League. Patel attempted to assuage the strikers by promising that they would not be victimized. But the assurances of Patel did not prevent mass arrests or police actions that led to a death toll of 1700. "
     
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    #1675
    Have you read the parts of the Quaran that calls upon its followers to kill Christians and Jews?
     
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    #1676
    Just curious: you are not British? (don't have to answer if you don't like :) )
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #1679
    Where did I say that I was the author? I even put each part in quotation mark to show that it is part of larger text. :rolleyes:
    Any idiot reading the posting would know that but obviously as you mentioned before you don't read.
     
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    #1680
    1. No part of the Quaran calls for the killing of christians and jews. I have read a translation. Now you go read one. Islam is BASED ON CHRISTANITY AND JUDASIM.
    Hindusim however is NOT approved of due it not being a 'religion of the book' (bible)

    2. I am british.
     
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