Anti-War 100,000 - Pro-War 400

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by gworld, Sep 25, 2005.

  1. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #1301
    Look at Gtech posting, even he is not as crazy as before in his worship of Bush. Rats leaving the sinking ship. ;)
     
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  2. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #1302
    If they hate us because of religious ideology - is that religion really promoting that hate or is it taken out of context? Why was Bin Laden working with us against Russia? Does he not have hate for us now because we left him high and dry after Russia left? I don't know enough about that war and our input/help to make a real judgment... But is kind of odd how we support all of these bad guys. we supported Bin Laden with weapons and we supported Saddam earlier... Is it possible we're partly to blame for helping these people into power and keeping them there in the first place?

    And did we really take all the steps neccessary to make sure there was no other option but war? Why does the Bush administration continue to change their stories and divert from the passed when dealing with the Iraq situation? For a long time all we heard about was Saddam's nuclear ambitions and WMD's, but after we invaded the administration seems to make no reference to any of it, even today.. If he had all those bad weapons and they've now been stolen and taken into the hands of people worse or equally as bad as Saddam... are we not in just the same situation or even worse?
     
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  3. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #1303
    Just a thought after reading about the earthquake in Asia, they say the hardest hit parts were the northern mountains in Pakistan - if Bin Laden is really hiding out in the mountains bordering Pakistan/Afghan maybe it's possible he was injured or even killed during the quake?
     
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  4. caseagainstbushcom

    caseagainstbushcom Peon

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    #1304
    Originally Posted by caseagainstbushcom
    Tell that to Gtech.

    Can a Bush hack please tell exactly what Bush does get the blame for?

    Has anyone else noticed G's inability to actually reply to a post? Exactly what have I made up? The truth matters a lot.

    Now answer the question. Exactly what Bush does get the blame for?
     
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  5. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #1305
    I have no problem with the US killing any involved with Al Queda, where ever they are.

    oh yeah and if someone is 18 - 19 years old and never been anywhere other then his mommys house and now boot camp, they are a kid to me

    I'm sure most are good soldiers but there is much better things to be doing at that age
     
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  6. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #1306
    I think everyone who went along with the Iraq war should be removed from office, regardless of their party
     
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  7. Blogmaster

    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    #1307
    We didn't go to Iraq to "kill arabs". We didn't enter WWII to kill Germans. We go to war to accomplish a mission and people die on both sides. That is the saddest part, but would you honestly show me the 1,000 worst pictures of wounded, dismembered and killed German soldiers from WWII and tell me that it was a mistake for us to go in there and then say "look what we've done?" Of course not. So why use those tactics here. If you have a problem with why we went to Iraq or simply don't understand it, there is no need to try to discredit the poster. That is why so little is getting accomplished these days. Our President spends way too much time defending his actions and doen't have enough time to do his job!
     
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  8. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #1308
    Do you understand it, why are we in Iraq? Explain to me
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #1309
    Good morning all, some excellent posts were made and I enjoyed the reads :)
     
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    #1310
    If you join the military - what does the military do anyways?


    Yes you did - thats why I responded with the "kid" comment - go look back at your post.


    I think you are confused - I just said to go call them kids to their face. ??? I don't know what you think I am saying. Say it to the guys who haven't gone over to Iraq yet, it doesn't matter, they will most likely just realize that you obviously don't know them if you call them "kids"
     
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  11. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #1311
    Debunked I actually agree with Yo Yo on this issue, you however serving in the military gives you more say so to speak on the issue and I was glad you made your beliefs on the subject known.

    I do think it's kind of BS that someone can't drink at 18 but can join the military. When the law was changed last time, I vaguely can remember it but do remember it being a hot button issue compared to todays standards, I think it's one of those things most have just come to accept if they agree with it or not.

    However because the only real argument for the drinking age vs another area that I can think of off hand is the military, maybe an issue such as this should be allowed for the military to make the bylaws for the military themselves? If you are correct and there is no age limit in the military to this day for soldiers to drink it would in my eyes make the hypocrosy in these 2 corresponding laws or limits much easier for me to swallow :)
     
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  12. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #1312
    The ultimate mark of inadequate preparation for life is the failure rate on the Armed Forces mental test. The Armed Forces Qualification Test is not quite a mental test, nor yet an education test. It is a test of ability to perform at an acceptable level of competence. It roughly measures ability that ought to be found in an average 7th or 8th grade student. A grown young man who cannot pass this test is in trouble.

    U.S. Department of Labor

    Army Secretary Noel Harvey and Gen. Richard Cody, the vice chief of staff, said Monday that the Army is using looser Defense Department rules that permits it to sign up more high school dropouts and people who score lower on mental-qualification tests, but they denied that this meant it was lowering standards.

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    The Army's figures show 6.5 percent of all enlisted soldiers held GED certificates at the end of 2004, the last year statistics were available. The Army plans to keep its limit on new soldiers with GEDs at 10 percent in any year.

    He said the number of soldiers on recruiting duty is increasing from 9,000 to 12,000, and the Army is asking Congress to increase enlistment bonuses from a maximum of $20,000 to a new limit of $40,000 for some who choose branches where there are shortages. The advertising budget for the Army was being boosted by $130 million.

    Army Lowers Bar for Recruits

    It seems a lot of these guys qualify to be called KIDS even when they are 60 years old. :rolleyes:
     
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  13. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #1313
    Allies don't agree to be allies forever. Is it taken out of context? Why not read it and study up on it yourself, so you can make your own informed opinion about it and be able to stand behind that opinion when/if the time comes? No, it's not taken out of context. But there are many who would like you to think that. I don't make excuses for terrorists actions.

    Change? Perhaps the dynamics are changing day to day? I don't see anything that says mentioning a valid reason one day doesn't mean something new comes along the next. We're there for a lot of reasons, none necessarily exclusive of another.

    There's a million reasons to not do something. We practiced "inaction is the best course of action" far too often in the 90s.
     
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  14. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #1314
    Don't flatter yourself. I may disagree (and rightfully so) with some things, I put things in perspective of the whole.

    Disagreeing with a few things does not justify perpetually making up and lying about things with hatred. There's no honor in that.
     
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    #1315
    Glad to see you admit at least that you disagree with at least some of Bush's responces, decisions, etc. Just as those who do nothing but attack Bush just for bashing purposes, those who defend him at every corner are annoying as well :)
     
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  16. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #1316
    Who says they can't drink or buy alcohol?
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #1317
    Legally, they buy it or drink it they break the law.
     
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  18. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #1318
    Not on post (base). Unless that rule has changed (and I believe it was at the Post commanders discretion), you can purchase/drink alcohol on base under 21. I certainly made many purchases in the day.
     
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    The intent behind my post however was the legal age of the country as a whole, not if they were in the military or not. I however went on to say I could swallow the law a bit better, I still would not agree with it in whole if you could drink while in the military under the age of 21.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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