And exactly that wait and see attitude has allowed many problems to escalate. You cannot wish something away and expect it to disappear. I remember when Reagan sent the airforce into Lybia after Quaddafi kept attacking U.S. citizens wordwide. Wasn't that the last we've heard of an attack from him? Do you guys who swear that the war is unnecessary believe he would have stopped otherwise? You never really see the reason why we live in peace overall. History should tell us, that it could have all gone down differently. Same with WWII, wishing Britain the best and hoping that hitler would come to his senses didn't work. Far too often you overlook the danger. Just because your own little neighborhood is safe and peaceful, doesn't mean that it's like that everywhere.
Yet I don't disagree with war at all, right time with the right reason is all I am arguing. War is necessary at times, I wont dispute that one bit Still waiting to go to the bar, damn wish my friend would show up already. Nothing like being home this late at night on a Friday still.
Wow I'm finding this funny as hell, all these die hard republicans ripping Bush a new axxhole on TV, even Anne Coulter, never thought I'd see the day. 37% approval ratings, love him or hate him you gotta admit he's politically in trouble when his base and right wingers are attacking him like there is no tomorrow.
That's why he came out with these "claims" that they've stopped 10 terrorist plots since 9/11... to start putting fear back into us and making everyone think because we got rid of Saddam we're stopping terrorism How convenient this big subway terror threat comes out when Bush is in deep shit Every time his approval gos down or he gets in political trouble he gos back to the same story about terrorist and how they can't wait to come kill us and how IRAQ is somehow connected to it all.... They're always using the same old fear antics... so predictable!
Wag the dog nothing like it, loved Clintons missile strikes on the eve of certain unwanted issues he was facing. They are all guilty of it, but it's sad when it's so obvious. Maybe it wasn't this time around, but sure is perfect timing I must admit. Same poll stated for the main problem in the US terror was dead last at 4% and the one above was Bush himself at 5% U.S. MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEM War in Iraq Now 18% 9/2005 13% Economy and jobs Now 16% 9/2005 14% Gas/oil crisis Now 5% 9/2005 9% President Bush Now 5% 9/2005 5% Terrorism Now 4% 9/2005 6% http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/06/opinion/polls/main924485.shtml
Well lets take a second to think about the United States currently: 1. We're at war with a country that isn't approved of and has cost us $200 Billion of money we don't have. 2. The national deficit is HUGE and will most likely cause a lot of damage soon... 3. The majority of people can't afford health insurance/care. 4. Poverty and Unemployment are up. 5. Hurricane disaster wasn't handled properly. 6. Gas prices are 3x what they were several years ago. 7. They're still preaching on and on about terrorism... what the hell did we invade afghanistan and Iraq for? Wasn't that to stop terrorism?? Not a lot of great things going on .. who could possibly approve of Bush? Just that rich 1% of the country who got a nice tax break and can afford all of these mishaps I guess
gtech, zman, willy, debunked.... Aside from all the differences and all the other discussions, how can you argue with that? only 1/4 people approves of the direction Bush is taking our country. It appears I'm with the majority of Americans on this one... where do you guys stand? We all know you support this lame war but where do you stand on Bush overall?
9-11 did not cause the Shrub job loss Despite the lies and misrepresentations of Shrub supporters the facts remain the facts. The attacks on September 11th, 2001 did not cause the Shrub job loss. The unemployment rate had already risen 16.67% by August. So much for that idiotic theory. The single largest increase in unemployment throughout Shrub's entire term was before 9-11, July to August, 2001 from 4.6 to 4.9. Although unemployment did jump from 5.0 to 5.3 after 9-11 and then again from 5.3 to 5.6 the 0.3 percentage point increase is the single largest increase. 0.3 / 4.6 = 0.0652173913 or 6.52% increase July - August 0.3 / 5.0 = 0.06 or 6.0% increase September - October 0.3 / 5.3 = 0.5660377358 or 5.66% increase November - December So we see that the single largest percentage increase in unemployment, 6.52%, was before 9-11. Bush Unemployment Rate & 9-11 Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Ave 2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.3 5.6 5.7 4.75 source: U.S. Department of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics Not to mention 9-11 was at the very least allowed to happen, if not actually perpetrated by, the Bush administration and the Republican party. Start here.
After it first happened if you'd mentioned something like this I'd call you a cooky nutcase. After seeing what Bush has done since then.. I can't say I'd put it passed them. I'm not saying I believe Bush and Co had anything to do with it, but if the evidence came about I wouldn't be too shocked.
Wait a minute. Do you mean to suggest that Bush didn't have enough warning before 9-11 to do something about it? If that is in fact what you mean I would have to say that you don't know too much about the subject. No offense. Get ready to read. FAA 9-11 warning Bush FBI was told to back off bin Laden family Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US 9-11 inside job Northwoods Document And this is just a quick list. There is so much more. Bush wanted a terrorist attack. Bush is an evil phony who hates America and the common man. He serves the evil dark side, his rich buddies. If you don't believe so, you haven't done your homework. Go to http://www.caseagainstbush.com and study the "navigation" links. They aren't really navigation per se, but, the links on the left side of the page.
Compare Bill Clinton and George W Bush Here is a comparison of Bill Clinton and George W(orst) Bush month by month on the following issues: the National Debt, the Unemployment Rate, the Average Retail Price per Gallon of Gasoline, the S & P 500, the NASDAQ and the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Point to highlighted figures for details. Note, where the current Average Retail Price per Gallon of Gasoline is not available at the time of this posting the most recent data is used. Had George W(orst) Bush's presidency gone as Bill Clinton's did on a percentage basis up to this point the Unemployment Rate would have decreased 32.88% to 2.81 instead of increasing 21.43% to 5.1 from 4.2. The Average Retail Price per Gallon of Gasoline would have only increased 1.38% to $1.491 instead of increasing 47.98% adjusted for inflation to $2.486. The S & P 500 would have increased 117.21% to 2,916.91 instead of dropping 9.12% to 1,228.81. The NASDAQ would have increased 140.25% to 6,625.88 instead of declining 21.98% to 2,151.69. The DJIA would have increased 143.96% to 25,806.67 instead of decreasing 0.91% to 10,568.70.
I would like to know this as well. Sorry but this one is a bit to out there for me to agree with. If there was solid proof I would, but then I'd also believe in pink flying elephants if proof was shown to me Allowed to happen in the sense that they did not take terrorism seriously I could side with, but even then there is no way to know if the Bush admin took it seriously before 9/11 would it have actually stopped it.
There is no way you have had enough time to do enough reading to develop an informed opinion on the subject. Go back here http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=358752&postcount=1232 and then here http://www.caseagainstbush.com and really read the articels, doing the Googling and watch the videos and in 6 months from now tell me you don't believe Bush either allowed 9-11 to happen or was involved in some capacity. You cannot gain enough knowledge on the subject in time to reply to this post today. That much information takes time.
That is where you are wrong I've been watching and studying this subject since before the war happened, basically on a daily basis to some degree. My wife from the same information does believe to an extent Bush had something to do with it, or allowed it to happen, I however still have not been taken over the top to that finding yet. Allowed it to happen in the sense that he did not take it seriously enough I will side with, it simply is such a serious accusation that it's going to take alot of proof more so than I've read to believe in it, especially against a sitting US president if I like him/her or not. ---edit I will gladly look at the links you provided, I actually am right now. From what I see so far it's all info I have previously read. If totally true yes it does not paint a very good picture of Bush, but to draw the conclusion of Bush actually being involved or allowing it to happen I still have not been able to come to that conclusion. I see it as not taking it seriously and or a mix of Bush being burned or should I say our country by Bush siding with these creeps, if totally true.
Please, keep up the good work! Some would argue you are hurting the country, but I tend to thing you are doing far more for our country than you suspect: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/06/AR2005100601645_pf.html It's a shame they needed a study to see the obvious. Keep up the good work! Kooky conspiracy theories, make up charges and lob them out. Who needs to rig voting machines with all this?
I agree with you Gtech, however both poor approval for the current admin, and the dems inability to get their overall act together cries ever more for the need of a good third party! If it will ever happen though is another story. Possibly something like libs far left view, democrat conservative far right view, republican middle ground party with credibility, ? Political quizes to see where you sit I always score just about in the middle, makes it hard to vote for either side at times.