Anti-War 100,000 - Pro-War 400

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  1. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #641
    Don't worry about it, TRUTH and FACTS has never stopped Gtech before and it will not now either.

    Gtech

    In your latest postings, you sound kind of desperate in holding to your fictional view of the world. What is the problem, are you noticing how illogical your arguments are? ;)
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #642
    You may have noted, but you were incorrect as I replied to all of them. Some statements I said did not come direct from an article but from common knowledge if you would have followed the war and the built up to the war which I have already explained that.

    As far as the last post I was trying to light a fire under you to see 'if' the expert claims it is not fact but what he believes would you still state it's VX even though it has not technically been proven?

    I found so many sites that had the same exact phrase I realy didn't think I needed to post a link as it's on almost all sources with the VX claim however a few are

    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=47837
    http://www.americanintelligence.us/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1573
    http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.asp?D=4/21/2004&ID=31108
    http://www.rightwingnews.com/comments.php?id=4089
    http://www.americanintelligence.us/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1573

    Over an hour worth of searches for the 'lab results' failed maybe you can find them? All of the VX claims however come from blogs, right wing publications, etc, nothing from a major news source. Most of these right wing publications also for the most part copied and pasted Major News pages I also was reading side by side but changed Chemicals to WMDs and added the VX claim by John Loftus.

    As far as John Loftus goes again the only thing I could find on him was his own website and right wing publications. I don't put much stock into any news that is reported on just a right or left wing publication.

    Again I'm not saying it's not true, but from what I have been able to find and your only reference to it I don't put much faith in the claim.
     
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  3. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #643
    Nah, I was just in the rest room rinsing my mouth out with wmd ;)

    Tell me again, how I come to the conclusion that 80 tons of chemical wmd, including VX nerve agent, turns into mouthwash? Fictional view of the world...I like that!
     
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  4. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #644
    I retract part of this. Basically a call to verify again.

    Your comment was:

    What he actually said was:

    Not that it was the easiest, but that it was the only kind of nerve gas where the chemicals that could be safely mixed together in the field. Mouthwash doesn't kill 80,000 people. It might sting on the tongue a little, but it's not going to kill anyone.

    As to whether you accept it as fact or not is your choice. It may take ten people, twenty people or there may never be enough. That's a personal choice. You may very well have some reason to discount a terrorism expert's analysis.

    The fact still remains, there were twenty tons of chemical wmd. They are not in jail because it was mouthwash. And 80,000 people were in danger.
     
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  5. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #645
    You did not correct anything for me, you placed your statement of what you felt the article was. So in other words the only thing that can be in a debate is actual written text, this is what you are saying?

    You tried to disprove statements such as the inspectors inspecting the site where the convoy left and finding no evidence, this is not an opinion sorry it's a fact. Again if you would have watched the build up to the war most of what I have stated is common knowledge and not contraversial at all.

    Again, I say:

    As stated above I aleady answered everyone of these to you, you failed to respond to the last post. You claim this 'pattern of replying that article xyz said something, but when reviewing it, it does not' which I feel you are incorrect.

    I stated a rough estimate of what he said, I then did an actual quote of what he said, I then listed multiple links to what he said which non of it states he 'knows' he suspects because it's the easiest to use in the field and this still is not good enough for you?
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #646
    After rereading Gtechs attempt at debate on our first responces I'm convinced he wants a side by side book report contest. He's literally asking me to take his reported stories in the exact words they are written in. So if something states it's a component of a WMD, but does not specifically state 'it could' be used for WMD I can not respond and state it was not WMD but a component to make the WMD?

    Gtech I am messing with you on this one for fun, but much of what you state is just that, according to what you say I can only state responces to them directly from an article written for the soul purpose of defeating your 'supporting' article currently on the net.
     
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  7. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #647
    See post 585.

    I noted what you said the article said and corrected those which there was no mention of what you claimed.

    As an example, you asserted that Fox news labled it a "dirty bomb," when in fact, the Energy Department's report did and they were simply reporting it. The others are there as well.

    You made reference that cia did not have any evidence, but the report clearly states the cia had strong evidence.

    You may find it acceptable to read an article then claim it said something it didn't. I find it creates a credibility problem and additional work to correct such issues. I can get that sort of thing from gworld and others any day of the week.

    He does not state, in the links you provided above, that it's the easiest to use in the field. What he said was, "VX is the only kind of nerve gas where the chemicals could be safely mixed together in the field."

    Taking "easiest to use in the field" and adding "chemical" or "wmd" or "Syria" does not produce any results in google. Rightly so, because that's not what he said.
     
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    zman Peon

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    #648

    Ouch, now that was a good read.

    [​IMG]
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #649
    You are right, the famous expert that never was there and had no first hand information about VX but thought it should be VX and Gtech quotes as fact is John Loftus.

    Since Gtech insists that Loftus is so credible that we should believe everything that he says, let us look at some of his other statements.

    "LOFTUS: Right, Aswat is believed to be the mastermind of all the bombings in London.

    JERRICK: On 7/7 and 7/21, this is the guy we think.

    LOFTUS: This is the guy, and what's really embarrassing is that the entire British police are out chasing him, and one wing of the British government, MI6 or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him. And this has been a real source of contention between the CIA, the Justice Department, and Britain.

    JERRICK: MI6 has been hiding him. Are you saying that he has been working for them?

    LOFTUS: Oh I'm not saying it. This is what the Muslim sheik said in an interview in a British newspaper back in 2001.

    JERRICK: So he's a double agent, or was?

    LOFTUS: He's a double agent.

    JERRICK: So he's working for the Brits to try to give them information about Al-Qaeda, but in reality he's still an Al-Qaeda operative.

    LOFTUS: Yeah. The CIA and the Israelis all accused MI6 of letting all these terrorists live in London not because they're getting Al-Qaeda information, but for appeasement. It was one of those you leave us alone, we leave you alone kind of things. "

    So Gtech do you believe that London bombings were work of MI6 agent because Loftus said so, before you answer I must mention this is from a FOX NEWS program on July 29. ;)

    How about claims that Bin Laden was or is CIA asset and had a meeting with CIA in July 2001 in Dubai hospital?

    How about the articles in his web site about Bush-Nazi Link?

    or how about this form his web site:

    Loftus's article proves that Pollard was completely innocent of the major charges against him, namely that Pollard leaked the names of US spies behind the Iron Curtain. The second, and most controversial, part of the article explains why Pollard is still in prison if the Government knows he is innocent. Pollard gave Israel the 1984"blue book" listing Arab intelligence agents, including Usama Bin Laden. Pollard's file shows that, contrary to what Congress was told, US intelligence knew perfectly well that they were laundering money through Saudi Arabia to fund known terrorists in their drive to oust the Russians from Afghanistan. To protect themselves from charges of negligence, senior members of US intelligence covered up the Saudi-Al Qaeda connection right up to 9/11.
     
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  10. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #650
    Yes please those reading see the post.
    Wow you got this correct here actually but you're taking it out of context. As what I stated it realy doesn't matter who said it, who placed the title, etc. You are simply being trivial. My point was it doesn't matter what the title is called, who called it what, I was stating the material itself is not a dirty bomb now is it? It could be used to make a dirty bomb but it in itself is not a dirty bomb.

    "sufficiently credible" evidence that WMDs may have been moved there.

    You take 'sufficiently credible evidence that WMD's 'MAY' have been moved
    as strong evidence that they were? I read the article showing more points on why 'it was unlikely' to have happened, it only leaves in a few spots that it 'might' have happened. Where are you getting this strong evidence from the article might I ask? Unless we are possibly resonding on different links you submitted?

    Again as already stated my first post was my general outline of what he said not a quote, my next one was a quote when you asked for one, my next one was links. Where does it say anywhere that it is VX? It still does not say it now does it?

    Stop being so trivial just because you're wrong, it's not helping your case.

    By the way see post #590 where I already answered your post.

    I'm certain every word you ever post you take direct quotes from now don't you, you never ever type a generalized statement. That would be funny if you say yes because I've read many of your statements doing just that.

    You afterall still claim it's VX when it never states a direct quote he said it was VX, the only quotes are the ones I have listed from this individual 'found so far'.
     
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    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    #651
    If it's really important to you, there's always a way ;)
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #652
    It's not really important to me, but I'd sure be happier to give up my mandatory tax dollars to help starving children that would otherwise die, than have it fund bombs that killed 15,000+ iraqis and continues to help kill more of them. :rolleyes:

    Instead of being a smart ass try being part of the solution.
     
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    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    #653
    US national debt:
    $ 7,924,531,452,777
     
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    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    #654
    so get off DP and start working :D
     
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    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    #655
    You first! :rolleyes:
     
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    #656
    That's yo-yo's style :D
     
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #657
    Found 'him
     
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    #658
    That's the guy who overcharged me for a pack of smokes ...
     
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #659
    This just showed up in my mailbox...

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    A View from the Heartland: This War Sucks
    Iowahawk Guest Commentary
    By Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi Senior VP, Al-Qaeda In Iraq

    What's crackalackin', y'all? I know it's been long-time- no-post, but I gotta tell you it's a little hard to keep up with the blogging when you're getting a daily enema from infidel Tomahawks. I knew that war is supposed to be hell, but dude -- this one is starting to totally fucking suck. Bigtime.

    Case in point: after taking in the nards in Tel Afar last week, let's just say the martyr recruiting has gone a little slow. And speaking of 'a little slow,' can we talk about this latest busload of asswipes from Damascus? Jeez, I thought the Saudis were stupid, but these Syrians take the fucking baclava. Send one of these choads on a simple martydom operation against a Bagdhad collaborator elementary school, and they're like, "Durrrr, a thousand pardons effendi, I got lost! Doyyyy, can I have a martyrdom car with OnStar?" Then you end up having to print out MapQuest directions for them, which totally chews up printer cartridges, and they end up smeared along some desert freeway because they mistook the detonator button for cruise control.

    Just between us, it was almost a relief when Team Satan and their Iraqi puppets greased a couple hundred of my lovable losers last week. 'Thinning the herd,' if you know what I mean, and I suppose it probably raised our average insurgent IQ ten points. To 67, maybe. Still, word-of-mouth about this kind of missile strike crap gets around, and it has really screwed our recruiting. Even with the dipshit teenage mosque-rats in Damascus and Riyadh. It's gotten so bad, in fact, that we had to open up a recruiting office in France. I shit you not: reduced to recruiting Le. fucking. Fron-say.

    Go ahead and laugh, sunshine. Yeah, it's humiliating, but these French dudes are actually kinda gung-ho. Until they get here and crap their pantalons after they realize that Le Monde might have exaggerated our success just a tad.

    So anyway, I'm dealing with this garbage yesterday, in the middle of a meeting with my French ad agency, when Achmed comes in and he's like, "come effendi! Allah be praised! The infidels are marching against the Satan Bush on the C-SPAN2!"

    So I'm like, cool, gather up the boys and throw some Pop Secret in the microwave, this ought to be a morale booster. Allah knows we need one. Then everybody gathers around the TV, and they're all like ululating and shooting off the AKs, when C-SPAN2 breaks out of Booknotes for live coverage of the big insurgent offensive.

    Holy. Fucking . Dung.

    Have you every been at Friday prayers when somebody just totally rips a gigantic falafel gasbomb while the Imam is cursing the crusaders and Jews? That's what it was like around the TV -- total dead silence. And with every shot of another placard-waving elderly hippie moron, every pachouli drum circle, possibly even more silence. Then, when the speakers started up, so did the uncomfortable buzz.

    "Where are their weapons, effendi?"

    "Well, ya see, um, they are using their um, voices as weapons, um, against empire and occupation, and..."

    "It seems they will need much training for the street battles, effendi. Many are appear weak or fat or old."

    "Well, see, er, they are basically offering more of a, uh, moral support, and..."

    "Will they be conducting martrydom operations soon?"

    "Okay, well, not exactly, but..."

    "But... are these what the virgins in paradise will look like, effendi?"

    Shit. I don't think I'll ever forget the look of horror in that poor Jordanian kid's eyes when the camera panned across that fugly forest of hairy vegan Heathers and uberbutch Andrea Dworkin manatees. And can you blame the poor trembling kid? Holy fargin' Prophet, sometimes I swear the only thing that keeps me motivated is knowing that a restored Caliphate means these hippie bowsers are gonna have their mugs and their bankles safely shielded under a burqqa.

    By then the damage was done. I must have spent fifteen minutes trying to calm the boys down, promising them that Paradise is not gonna be a menage-a-72 with a bunch of Unitarian NPR grannies. Luckily, the camera panned to some guy in who was wearing a dynamite belt, which kinda cheered them up momentarily. At that point I didn't have the heart to tell them it was probably fake.

    Where was I? Anyhoo, sorry to be such a buzzkill, but what exactly did I do to deserve all this shit? I mean, Zarkman does his five-a-day. Zarkman volunteers at the madrassa. Whenever there's a village homo who needs stoning, Zarkman brings his A-game high heat. And what thanks does Zarkman get? A goddamned infidel peanut gallery of hashpipe trustafarians and skanky Code Pink insugent groupies too unsightly for Sig Eps Pig Night, that's what. That, plus a smoldering "safehouse" full of Syrian martyr-tards whose families all expect one of my famous personalized thank-you notes:

    "Dear Mr. and Mrs. _AL-DURRA____:

    Please find enclosed a Ziploc containing the remains
    of your martyr _TARIQ____. Though he is now
    frollicking in Paradise, his comrades and I will
    always remember him for his ___POKEMON COLLECTION____.
    Thanks to his holy sacrifice, we are one step closer
    to __EXTERMINATING THE JEWS___.

    Yours in Sharia,

    Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi


    Okay, I know, form letters are cold. But shit, you try writing 300 of these things a week while trying to stay ahead of the crusader missiles. And while I'm mentioning it, these letters are another damn drain on the printer cartridge budget.

    Arrrrggghhh. Good Allah, I really need a good long vacation.

    Listen man, I seriously gotta book. Achmed says Team Satan is headed this way, and I'm still walking funny from their last laser-guided high colonic. Stay golden, and if you're one of those college fuckwits that was screaming "End The Occupation" yesterday in DC: cracka, please. Allah knows I've got enough crusader problems as it is, and that kinda shit only encourages them.

    You really want to end the infidel occupation? Put down the ANSWER picket sign and book a group tour to Damascus. Flights leave daily, and Delta is Ready When You Are, Moby. We may be running short of martyrs, but we'll make sure to have an eastbound bus waiting for you at the airport. And while you're at it, bring along some of that primo chronic you're always bragging about.

    And, oh yeah, some Canon BC-6100 printer cartridges.
     
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    #660
    LOL, can't believe I'm saying this but best post on the thread all day Will :)
     
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