Anti-War 100,000 - Pro-War 400

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by gworld, Sep 25, 2005.

  1. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #4021
    I think you missed the point. Had he come (no pun) out and said, hey, hell yeah, daddy like; I tapped sum a dat!!!

    Had he just told the truth, I and I am willing the bet a vast majority would never gave it much thought.

    But as to hurt? Yes, people were hurt. He cheated on his wife. Of course with her power hungry nature, I am confident she knew full well what she would have to endure on the way to accomplishing her satanic goals. But here we have his daughter? What about her? Imagine the snickering in school, hell it was on TV EVERYWHERE for months. I cannot imagine that was pleasant for her.

    And what of the US and the American people.... All that time, energy and money wasted because the ass could not just come out and tell the truth.

    There was a lot of "hurt" done. All he had to do was own up.
    Ah really... Look at the mess we are all cleaning up because of his inaction.

    Where have you been? Under a rock for the last few years?
     
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  2. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #4022
    When are we invading and occupying Sudan.. because you just described it ;)

    OWNED
     
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  3. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #4023
    Ah, yeah, Saddam did invade Kuwait, but he did not declare war on them, and certainly did not call it "the Gulf War." He just took the place over because Kuwait had the audacity to "call the note" (they wanted Saddam to pay them back all the money they loaned him during the Iran/Iraq War.)

    It became the "Gulf War" when the US Congress Declared War and Bush the first kicked Saddys ass back to Bagdad.

    eg, when the US Liberated Kuwait. (27 Feb 1991 U.S. "Gulf War" liberates Kuwait and declares ceasefire)

    WWII was not called WWII in 39 when Hitler invaded Poland. There was a war, but it was not a World War, nor was it called that. WWI as it would become known as, was called the Great War, the War of the Nations and the War to End All Wars. It was not until WWII that WWI even got it's title as a "World War". There were several wars taking place all over the world at the time, Japan, Germany, hell Finland was involved in THREE separate wars at the time, one in which the Soviets attacked them... During the SAME Period in time (1939).

    France and Great Brittan declared war on Germany 2 days after the invasion of Poland. It was not until June and December of 1941 that the last of the "Big Three" the Soviet Union and the US entered the war to LIBERATE EUROPE!!!

    The US was never attacked by Germany. The US entered the war in Europe to liberate, and that is what they did.

    OWNED.
     
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  4. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #4024
    Works for me. Glad to see you supporting something worthwhile, for a change.
     
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  5. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #4025
    The only thing that your post proves:

    1- You were not mentally stable to handle drugs and you went crazy with it (The same thing can happen with alcohol, you remember wine that Jesus made from water).

    2- Your inability to deal with real life caused you to go to Jail.

    3- You became sick Venereal disease (either because unwanted sex in Jail) or being too dumb and not using condom.

    4- You found Jesus, became a new born Christian and decided that this is the only accepted way for the whole society.

    If you were too dumb or unprepared to handle real life (what the rest of us do on daily bases), what makes you think that you have all of the sudden changed and know all the answers because you have gone to church couple of times or decided to real a book that is 2000 years old and filled with factual mistakes? :rolleyes:

    I have a news for you, you are still an addict that is not capable to deal with reality; you have just replaced your previous addiction with your new drug called religion. ;)
     
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  6. bigdoug

    bigdoug Peon

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    #4026
    Soon,

    Served!

    D
     
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  7. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #4027
    Actually... if you stop re-writing history for a minute, I believe we entered the war after we were attacked by Japan.

    OWNED ;)
     
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  8. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #4028
    in ever other war, someone else was the agressor, is this the first war in US history where we are the agressor?
     
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  9. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #4029
    There's nothing quite so illuminating as watching gworld dispense prescriptive advice. If only we all had gone to collage!
     
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  10. bigdoug

    bigdoug Peon

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    #4030
    Wow, everyone handles premarital sex and drugs so well, that it has not caused society any pain. As a matter of fact, that is why society has resisted for so long, because of all the good that can come from this behavior. Even atheist get it Gworld, why not you?

    Condoms are the answer? Measured drug abuse is the answer?

    You want to know how stupid your argument sounds, not even do those in the animal kingdom wear condoms, and they stick to their own kind. Its laughable what humans will do in the pursuit of enjoyment?

    I prefer natural sex with my wife, instead of artificial gratification with a synthetic piece of plastic (condom). Do you eat your food with plastic Gworld?

    Lets see: you take drugs to escape reality, and have sex in an unreality way, and yet you think I am nuts.

    Hmmmmmmm…..:rolleyes:

    Owned


    D
     
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  11. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #4031
    US isn't the aggressor in Iraq. Read the terms of the cease-fire from the original conflict. There was never a treaty of peace. If Iraq didn't live up to the terms of the cease fire, the US (and the coalition) had the right to go in again. The US felt that Iraq was not living up to them, so it went in again.

    Iraq disavowed the cease fire on many occassions (locking onto planes in the no-fly zone, firing missiles at planes in the no-fly zones, and not allowing UN inspections to go on unimpeded) - just no one did anything about it.

    Whole situation in Iraq could have been avoided if Bush I had kept his word and took Saddam from power then, but he was too concerned with his coalition to do so.
     
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  12. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #4032
    Like all things - guns, drugs, sex, gambling, DVRs, internet, video games, TV - can be abused and mistreated by dumb people. Just because some dumb people abuse things, everyone should be forced to stop?

    After you went, had all your fun with sex and partying, you want to force everyone else to stop - because you abused and couldn't handle it? :confused:


    Those in the animal kingdom don't marry, the males don't take care of their children, they don't live in houses, they don't start wars, they sometimes even eat each other.

    Are you saying, we should do like animals do? :confused:

    2x ONWED
     
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  13. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #4033
    I think a lot of people handle premartial sex just fine, and I think a lot of people handle drinking and drugging fine, there are always people who take things to extremes but you can't condemn everyone because you had a bad expereience, well actually you can condemn all you want but its not very rationale.
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #4034
    I'm not sure he knows what rationale is.

    He just used animals to reason that he shouldn't wear condoms because it's unatural.

    Hey doug, do you still have sex for pleasure? You shouldn't it's not natural, animals don't do it. You can only have sex if you're trying to get your woman pregnant. Of course you have to leave her afterwards if you want it to be natural.
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    #4035
    Do you know when they fired the missiles? I am trying to look up more info about it.
     
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    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #4037
    According to this (unbiased of course ;)) article from USAtoday they started in 99 and claim 300 (unsourced) incidents:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2002-09-04-edit_x.htm
     
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  18. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #4038
    Which war? The War with Japan, or the War in Europe? Two different things. Either way, it is a bit more complicated than you are stating. Historians figure the US had been involved in the war in Europe as far back as 1939, perhaps sooner.

    December 8th, 1941 the US and Great Britain declared war on Japan. 3 days later, (no one is quite sure why, because they certainly do not need to) Germany declared war on the US. about another couple days go by and the US declares war on Germany and Italy.

    The US entrance to the War in Europe was a long time coming. Japan attacking us, and the US declaring war on Japan was merely a stepping stone to our real goal which was helping the UK to liberate Europe and stop the spread of nazism. The US had been involved pretty heavily in that goal well prior to 41. Sometimes legally, sometime barely floating on the line of the law, if that. Unfortunately FDR's hands were tied throughout much of the various wars going on in Europe. Though he did find ways to assist, and did. He managed to get them ships, tanks, weapons, and other supplies... I'd suggest reading up on the Land Lease Act, the Atlantic Charter, a few of which come to mind.

    So to your original statment: "I believe we entered the war after we were attacked by Japan."

    Incorrect. We enterted it sooner than that. We just declared war on Japan "after we were attacked by Japan." We'd been involved in the War in Europe for quite some time.
     
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  19. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #4039
    Poor choice of words, but that does not surprise me.

    Try, offensive, not agressor.

    We are on the Offensive. And yes we have been on the offensive in just about every war we have been in. Get on the defensive and you have things like "Vietnam".
     
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  20. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #4040
    Do keep in mind that we did not have a plan for that. Had they done it then, it would have been a complete disaster.

    Personally one of the things I am most proud of in this country is the fact that this is the first time I can remember a sitting president and congress setting an objective, carrying out that objective and doing nothing more than what that objective was.

    The objective was to remove Saddam and his army from Kuwait and liberate the Kuwaiti people. That was it. There was no plan to follow Saddam to Bagdad.

    Besides, had we done it then do you really think the rest of the world (meaning those few nut cases that hate Bush) would be appauding the heck out of Bush The First?

    Hind sight is always 20/20. Personally waiting was the best thing to do. It gave the entire world, the US, the UN, everyone the opportunity to try things peacefully. 12 years later when that did not work, they still complain. Either way, what's done is done.
     
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