Anti-War 100,000 - Pro-War 400

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by gworld, Sep 25, 2005.

  1. Hodgedup

    Hodgedup Notable Member

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    #2481
    Yeah Mike stop executing people you dickhead.:D
     
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  2. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #2482
    It will be interesting if those who like to kill people, at least could offer one reason why they like to do it. :rolleyes:

    Does it lower the crime rate? NO.

    Is it cheaper than prison? NO.

    why the hell do you like to kill some one then? :confused:

    "One of the most powerful, pragmatic arguments against the death penalty is its enormous and inordinate cost when compared to the expense of incarceration for life without possibility of parole, the latter being approximately one-sixth as expensive as the over $3 million cost to execute someone through the exhaustion of all legal appeals. In 1989, the New York State Department of Corrections determined that New York State could hire an additional 250 police officers and build prison space for an additional 6,000 more inmates for the amount that it would cost the state to reimpose the death penalty in a similar five-year period. "It is always more expensive to have and use the death penalty than it is not to have it, for the very reason that lawyers are more expensive than prison guards," said Professor Franklin E. Zimring, Director of the Earl Warren Legal Institute at the University of California, Berkeley, Boalt Hall Law School. "It's that simple."

    At the top of the legal pyramid, the California Supreme Court spends approximately half of its time reviewing death penalty appeals. In remote Sierra County, California, only a handful of death penalty cases have cost over $400,000, one-tenth the annual budget of the county, and thus preventing the county from filling vacant police officer positions and forcing the deferral of other necessary services. New death penalty legislation enacted in New York State provides for a pool of approximately $1.5 million, or less than one-third the amount necessary for any particular county to prosecute through the entire appellate process the death penalty to its actual implementation. California is spending approximately $118 million a year on death penalty cases. The core pragmatic and empirical question is the amount of police officer and other crime fighting resources that could be put at the community's disposal for the prevention of crime if incarceration for life without parole, rather than the death penalty, was the available alternative. "

    http://www.vincenter.org/95/gregory.html
     
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  3. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #2483
    It's all just a joke to you isn't it?
     
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  4. Hodgedup

    Hodgedup Notable Member

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    #2484
    gworld I think you presented the perfect solution.

    Pay per view gladiator style fights to the death for death row inmates.
     
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  5. Hodgedup

    Hodgedup Notable Member

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    #2485
    Knock Knock

    Who's there?

    Yes you are a joke to me. I find no reason to take you serious and the blatent bashing of the country I love by some one who would love to see the US fall apart because you were born somewhere else is beneath me.
     
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  6. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #2486
    Cool, so we can send all the murderers and child molesters to your house. I personally like that solution. I mean, you do care about serial killers and murders and child molesters. Let's put em up in your home. You seem to care so much about them. That way we can tackle prison overpopulation as well.

    Edit: and gworld's home. Especially the al qaida ones ;)
     
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  7. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #2487
    I was born somwhere else? Really... last i heard i was born in Missouri... and last I thought about, I wouldn't like the U.S. to fall apart ;)
     
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  8. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #2488
    gworld and yo-yo can join LARK. :D
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #2489
    May be you can use the money and go for vacation to Iran. Did you know that they still have public executions? Just think about how excited and happy you will be to see a real human hanging on end of a rope.
    Trying to breath while his neck is broken and then watch his face when all of a sudden he is not breathing anymore and is dead.

    Just think of all those years hiding under your blanket, being scared and yelling kill, kill and trying to be a big man without ever getting the chance to see some one actually getting killed.

    Wouldn't that make you all happy and excited? :rolleyes:
     
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  10. Hodgedup

    Hodgedup Notable Member

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    #2490
    Well you and gworld are pretty much the same person to me.

    Is this better then?

    "Shut up or get the hell out?"
     
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  11. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #2491
    You never answered my question.. when does the % of innocent people being killed become to high and unacceptable?

    And no, I don't care about those people. I care about innocent people. I care about the underlying reasons why the crimes are committed, and I care about preventing them from happening.
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #2492
    Really, because you and Will are the same person to me, ignorant jackasses :D
     
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  13. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #2493
    It sounds to me like you've gone from Missouri to misery.


    Well then, please quit recommending policies which will cause that.

    It's like claiming "I don't want to see your tires flattened" while at the same time you are stabbing my tires with an ice pick.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #2494
    Anyone else feel left out? Yo Yo, Gworld, Hodgedup and Will have gotten some really colorful nicnames and we didn't :(
     
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #2495
    That's because we're all still trying to figure out what "hrblcantra" stands for... :eek:
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #2496
    That's because even though you support the death penalty, you still care about the innocent people, and you are reasonable and open minded enough to debate facts......and you aren't acting like a complete jackass. ;)
     
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  18. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #2498
    It didn't deserve an answer, as I have no preset conditional limit. I don't sit around wondering how I can make excuses for killers. I'm not in favor of innocent people being executed, but I also know that nothing is perfect and doing nothing about the vile you defend is unacceptable. No one's guaranteed a perfect life. Were that the case, I wouldn't be on a forum listening to someone make excuses for cop killers and child molesters.
     
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    #2499

    Oh my God i have been bombared with bunch of RED rep.
    if this is debate why are you giving me REDs :mad:
     
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    #2500
    For those in favor of the death penalty. With increases in technology making it easier and more accurate in many cases to get a definite guilt verdict 'i realise mistakes can still happen' would you at least support a tweak to the system to try and have as few innocent people put to death as possible?
     
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