http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,544454,00.html I'd like to know what verses those are. http://christianactionforisrael.org/antiholo/newtest.html I see so no where does the Bible actually tell people to kill the Jews or do harm to them in anyway like it does in the Koran. But it's totally the same thing.
Someone will come in with their circular logic to say certain verses are anti-semitic. They will spin it right-round baby right round like a record baby round round round round.
Maybe some of the learned Christian members of the forum could help me with this. Jews denounce Jesus Christ as the messiah right? So how come Christians are so chummy with people who won't accept Christ as their savior, and on the contrary, consider him a fake?
Jesus was born a Jew in every aspect of the word. Many Jews accepted Him as the Messiah, they are known as the first Christians. We as Christians are to tell everyone about Christ and His message to all non-Christians. Since you can not be born a Christian every "Christian" had to be something other than a Christian to begin with whether Jew, muslim, atheist, or whatever.
Ok, I got that. But why the particular love for people who not only haven't accepted Christ as their savior, but they actually think he was a fake? Seems to me that Muslims have as much in common with Christians than Jews. They believe Jesus arrived by immaculate conception. That he ascended to heaven. That he will come again in the time of judgment. He had disciples, he performed miracles, that he brought the Gospel, and ratified the Old Testament. Are Jews monotheistic? Or do they believe that the messiah is equal to or in partnership with God? Apparently Muslims are monotheistic, and believe in prophets, but not other holy entities besides God himself.
Jews and Christians can disagree without firing rockets over a wall into a crowded marketplace. I think that similarity trumps any doctrinal issues.
Well, technically, Jews had Christ put to death. You'd think that might be a stumbling block in the relationship. Seriously however, the rockets comment is flippant and meaningless in the context of this discussion. We're not playing the, "Jews are friends because they are not Muslims" game. I'm seriously trying to understand why Christians have a much greater kinship with a religion that thinks the central Christian figure was a fraud.
Muslims think Christ was a fraud as well. They claim he faked his own death. Jews make no such obnoxious claim. Thinking he didn't rise from the dead is a valid concern. Thinking he didn't die on the cross to begin with is absurd. Jesus forgave the Jews for killing him. So why should Christians harbor any ill will towards them? Jews and Christians can have heated debates about religion without having to worry about a Fatwa. A Jew can become a Christian and a Christian can become a Jew with no risk to their life. A Muslim was baptised Christian by the Pope and now has death threats. What is the point of discussing religion with a Muslim if the punishment for them leaving their faith is death? Hardly leaves room for honest debate does it? Would you be willing to even consider your religion is wrong if doing so would very likely cost you your life? Wouldn't you come up with every lame excuse in the book to convince yourself of your religion if it would save your life? Neither Jews nor Christians tell there followers there is no sin in killing someone for "corruption in the land" which is the foundation of terrorism. Jews and Christians operate under the same basic laws. So I'm not sure where you get the idea that Muslims have more in common with Christians than Jews. If Christ did not rise from the dead then the next logical religion is Judaism. Not Islam. If Christ did rise from the dead then the logical religion is Christianity. Not Islam. Islam is the odd man out of the discussion. And not a particularly nice one either.
KalvinB you are showing your anti-Islam views on every post on every thread. it is clear to us that you are anti -Islam. guerilla i think it is becouse of "Jesus, his mother, his (foster) father, brothers, cousins, disciples and early apostles were all Jewish" But not all Jews accepting Jesus as Messiah And to answer your question KalvinB what do you think about this : verse in Matthew when the Jewish crowd is made to say, "His blood be upon us and upon our children."
Yes and Jesus said "forgive them for they know not what they do." http://www.levitt.com/essays/bloodlibel.html Pilate didn't want to take responsibility so the people there did and also put that responsibility on their children. Not their decendants. My only issue with his analysis: Since when are children responsible for the sins of the parents? Apparently sacrificing over 400,000 US lives in WWII to save them wasn't enough. Not counting the Christians from other countries that gave their lives to save them. Apparently the billions of dollars we pour into Israel isn't enough. Some people. Romans 9-11 reiterates that the Jews are God's chosen people. Would you like to point out the untrue statement(s) regarding Islam?
It's because the christians don't believe the second coming, the rapture and Armageddon will occur until the jews are all back home and having an enormous war with arabs. They aren't chummy, They are merely encouraging them to cause the end of the world for their own imaginary gains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig (interesting video if you can stomach watching pig faced, obscenely rich "christians" promoting the end of the world)
I've heard that theory. They're trying to interpret Revelation and while it is plausible it's pretty ridiculous that they think they can move God along as though he needs their help. The key hole in their theory is that they think that the war will between the devil's followers and the Jews. If they really wanted to "help things along" they'd have to move their own butts to Israel as well. The final battle is between a small hold out of God's people and the Devil's people. I don't see a small hold out of God's people.
ahmadnjad seems to be trying for the end of the world also and i don't know if people are familiar with the messiah and the lubawich rebee it seems that these people all want to end the world it is gets a little hairy sometimes
so you are saying the problem is that there is no small hold out of God's people and if there was it would be the end of the world
That is called "love," man, the reason why he came into this world. If it wasn't love, God would have not bothered sending Jesus for us, anyway, he's God and will always be God. But like a mother who dearly loves her children, we're God's most cherished, precious possessions - more than all his creation on this planet, that He's willing to let his Son, Jesus, DIE for us. Don't we hear songs that say, "I'd die for you, I'll do anything for you"? That's love man. We took that actually from God's own example. So as Christians or followers of Jesus, we are told to love our neighbors or brothers even if they're not our kin. That goes to all races, Jewish/Jews or not. Why should we hate the Jews? the very people who nailed Jesus on the cross? What good will it serve us? Didn't Jesus paid for their sins already, including ours? Those mockery, hatred that the Jews displayed against Jesus were all part of the plan - it was all part of Jesus' death. It was all necessary elements for the accomplishment of his mission, which is to die on the cross in order to pay for human sins, and thus, gave man the opportunity to be with Him in the Kingdom prepared for him in heaven. The only requirement was that they believe. Look at those two criminals who were also crucified, beside him? Weren't they oh-so-full of sins? But it only took one of them to say, "Remember me, Jesus, when you become King," to assure himself of a slot in heaven. What did Jesus say to him? "I promise you that today you will be in Paradise with me." Yet, weak as we are humans (Christians included), we continue to hate other people - even if they haven't done anything to us. We continue to hate even if there really is no reason at all - or the reason is just that they don't belong to us or aren't part of our causes. We're used to this habit of hating that if only people could be killed mentally, this world would have long been empty. Alas, it's not the case. But still innocent people are dying, have died because of prejudice, hatred. When will this stop? When do we stop? Do we really need to kill just to be right? I am astonished to hear that the Holy Koran of the Muslims says something about killing the Jews. If this is true, it's very sad. If Muslims hate the Jews because it is being implied in the Koran, what will stop those terrorist Muslims from killing innocent people if the Koran itself serves as their motivation? I know there are many good Muslim people. Even if man is sinful by nature, we all possess kindness and goodness to some extent...which we all must retain and protect each time an opportunity to do evil arises. I know Muslims can love as much as hate. Christians, too. The only difference is that in the Bible, the main lesson is love - not hate or war. And it is best exemplified in the very being of Jesus, the Christ.
Here are some qoutes from the Christian bible that are about killing people from other religions. Not really directed at Jewish people but anyone not Christian...
You got it wrong there - there were NO Christians when Deuteronomy was first spoken or even penned. So to say what you did would mean to kill everyone.
The Bible tells us the birth of a women is a loss and that women can not speak in church. Disgusting.