Anti-Koran film goes live on Web

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  1. Plazimot

    Plazimot Peon

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    #21
    Good thing we don't live there :D.

    Well let's make this simple:It's not problem when something like that is normal in "your" country,it is problem when people from "your" countries come to "our" countries and they believe they can punish people the same way here
     
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    #22
    I really don't see anything hateful about the film, other than the hate being spewed from the Islamic speakers. None of that appears to be misrepresented.

    Good Muslims need to get control of their religion. It is not the film that disparages your religion; it is the Islamic speakers in the film. You have more hate mongering leaders than any other religion on the planet. The violence that results every time Muslims are dissatisfied with something does nothing to build trust and acceptance from non-Muslims.

    The formula for peace and acceptance is simple, and it does not take a genius to figure it out.
     
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  3. ROAR

    ROAR Well-Known Member Affiliate Manager

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    #23
    Saw it...Good/Bad? Whatever... Only way to form an opinion on something is to see it for yourself. I doubt anybody will have their eyes opened by the film.
     
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  4. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #24
    Muslims do believe that Koran was sent by Allah(God). And every word in Koran are Allah's word(God). Koran is the holy book of Islam, Muslims. He tells that Koran is like facist book, and by this calling every Muslim who strongly believe in Koran, fasict, terrorist, and is not it insulting Muslims?
    And he is showing some pictures from 9/11 as know, and it is 'not clear yet' who had arranged 9/11 . And it is not clear that who is controlling the Al-Qaeda

    The main words he is trying to say are STOP THE MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS. And it is only the one word he is trying to say to stop Islamization. It is against to one of principles of Europe freedom of Believes to call Ban Koran, banning Koran means Banning Islam. If you will look even in this forum you can find threads , posts like this Muslims population is having high birth rate, and Wilders knows that fact too . And that fact is not good news for him, he is making his afford to stop this process somehow.


    I am sure this movie will make many ppls to research even over Internet or offline what is Islam , and what does Koran say? Is Koran really so dangerouse ?

    It is somehow funny by sad way to call to ban Koran

    It is another topic what is terror and what is different between liberaty war and terrorism
     
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  5. gauharjk

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    #25
    I am certain "Insulting" someone cannot be a part of Western culture.

    The cultural differences are really huge. But the world is more globalized now. This friction may increase, until both sides except each other, and not try to prove that one culture is superior to the other...

    What you say sounds very true... What we need is more interaction with different cultures, so that there can be a more matured response, and better understanding. But this reform has to happen from both sides, so that the dissatisfaction does not erupt in violence...
     
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  6. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #26
    http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/

    Here you go, enjoy watching Holocaust denial movies. I hope you feel better now. Hmm, where all the Westerners and Jews rioting?
     
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  7. Plazimot

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    #27
    Well as long as you have kindly offered to answer (even tho I know the answers)

    1.How old was Aisha,the wife of prophet Mohammed when they consumed their love (the most optimistic answer is 12)?
    2.How many people have Mohammed killed with his own hands (and later on instructed his followers to do the same )?
    3.Did Mohammed had slaves and was he a slave dealer?
    4.Is that what we should show respect to?




    Same as guys who said that world is round and that earth spins around sun

    Muslims are creating the image of Islam,you can only blame them



    Well less and less people are buying the story about bad Muslims and good Jews, nowdays people can think with their own head

    No but they are fighting the enemy who occupies their country,their actions can be understood
     
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    #28
    Which country are you talking about? The West has a long history of meddling and imposing colonial imperialism in the Middle East and Asia.

    That's like saying you need to get control of your bad neighbor. Easier said than done.

    I wrote here recently, that moderates aren't drawn to acting out and self-aggrandizement like fanatics. Fanatics naturally tend to recruit and promote, many people with moderate positions just want to live their lives, they don't want to lead a cause or an army or a religion.

    There will always be fanatics as long as there are free men. The trick is to defang them. To remove their teeth. This movie seeks to do the opposite.
     
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    #29
    I've read different versions, stating her age was between 9 years, to in some cases, 15 years. Simply speaking, I don;t know. There is o clear historical record. But one thing is certain, that she had reached the age of puberty before marriage. She was the only virgin woman the Prophet ever married. All other marriages of the Prophet were with widows, from different clans and tribes, so that those clans could be brought into the fold of Islam.

    I don't know. Kindly enlighten me (so that I can kill my share of people :D)

    Islam prohibits Slavery. The first Muzzein of Islam, was Hazrat Bilal, a black slave himself, who was freed by the Prophet, and who was one of his best friends and closest companions.

    Sure... :)
     
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    #30
    And they are now peacefully colonising western world?

    I couldn't agree more ;)
     
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    #31
    im sorry but no religion is formed on possative princaples. reigion is all fake there is no god religion is the oldest form of brainwashing. in every religion there is an after life or something else and all that is for is to make people follow rules in the hope they get in. serious if religion was invented today people would laugh. i agree in princaple its possative but when people base there lives on it and waste soo much time its not possative at all.

    from what i know where i live all the people who are catholics wouldnt commit crime in the first place. there targetting the wrong audience.
     
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    #32
    and any one who argues about the subject is a fool.... its like arguing about which faction is better on world of warcraft.. o but i can walk on water.. o yea well i saved 100 blood elves.. none of if matters.

    and what the founders of each religion have done is solve problems within that religion and cast hate upon others which is a contradiction of everything anyway.
     
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  13. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #33
    Anti-Islam MP Geert Wilders, whose controversial film Fitna finally ublished web, has made himself even more unpopular - it appears he forgot to secure copyright on footage used in the movie.

    Danish newspaper cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, whose depiction of the Prophet Mohammed with a bomb in his turban sparked violent protests in 2006, complained on Dutch TV that Wilders used his work without permission, "so it is simply a case of violation of copyright rules".

    Earlier this month Westergaard defended Wilders and argued that the Dutch MP should show his film despite government warnings. On behalf of Westergaard, the Danish Union of Journalists says it will now sue Wilders for copyright infringement.

    Also, Dutch director Rob Muntz was also surprised to see a clip of an interview he conducted with Theo van Gogh, the Dutch filmmaker who was stabbed and shot dead in Amsterdam. Muntz says he never gave permission, and will seek legal advice too.

    Wilders also mistakenly used a photo of Dutch-Moroccan rapper Salah Edin instead of Mohammed Bouyeri, Theo van Gogh’s murderer. Edin, perhaps unsurprisingly, is also suing

    Source : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/28/geert_wilders_faces_legal_threads/

    The movie with lots of mistakes, build up with mistake ideology.
     
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    #34
    A phobia is an irrational fear. There is nothing irrational about fearing islam.
     
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    #35
    I will gladly answer your questions but first may I ask you to provide the answers that you already know, I just want to know how much is accurate the info you know regarding these issues.
     
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    #36
    Friend Imad, when Plazimot says he knows the answers, you have to trust him. I have witnessed solid research by him while participating in earlier debates...

    He only wanted to prove that there can be uncomfortable questions which cannot be easily explained away...
     
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    #37
    Just because he married her at an early age does not mean they had sex.
     
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    #38
    Hi, I did not mistrust him, as I mentioned I was curious to know his answers to see how accurate they are.
     
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    #39
    i don't know why people always accuse islam to be the source of terrorism,they are a lot of people who kill handreds of people and they are jewish or chritians.the problem isn't the religion but the man.
    me i don't believe any whriter or any journal but i read the source .
    you who accuse islam or chretianity have you ever read the koran and bible??
     
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