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Welcome to the forums and dont plan to leave very soon because your acts are making me think that you will be gone soon

 

This I found here http://www.alislam.org/books/in-bible/index.html#historical as a dialogue this website attempts to twist to its favor, as a proof of muhammad in the bible.

The verse refers to the holy spirit people will receive and not to a man that will come.


Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will sent him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment. ... I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. How be it when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak.. and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you. (John 16:7-14)

The Comforter is the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost and not muhammad.

 

i don'T want to ban i want to say this topic is nonsense

if you muslim --> you think muslim is true

if you christian --> you think christian is true

 

That is just a weak statement on what you think. Bible says "he" like he will come and he will show and that he shall speak. Is that some person or he is holy spirit and how do you know its holy spirit. Holy spirit can be found in man like it did in Jesus and in Muhammed Did i miss anything or am i wrong

 

Jaree, I believe that you and yours alike were breast fed with nonesense like this.
If you really care why don't take the time to read the Bible completely and with understanding. You guys take this argument for granted without checking the truth about these statements.

 

Can i request you to explain the truth please. Why do you think it is Holy Spirit and Just Holy Spirit did bible say that. Ofcourse NO

If you want me to be nice please try to be nice with me too I do not appriciate comments on my personality like that thanks for understanding

 

It's not my thinking.
The holy spirit is manifest in every real believer, regardless of race or nationality and not limited to a few selected.

Please read the Bible from the beginning to the end and you will understand.

We refer to the Holy Spirit as "He" "the comforter" that was sent from Christ Jesus.

 

I am sorry but i am not satisfied with that answer. I asked you because i thought you could help but i am really sorry i do not have time to read bible from start to end just to find answer to one question and thats why i asked for your help and thats why you are asking for our help hope you get it thanks

 

Here are some of the references to the holy spirit and that it is not a man

John 16:8-15
8) "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; 9) concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10) and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; 11) and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged. 12) "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13) "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14) "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. 15) "All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

John 14:16-21
16) "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17) that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. 18) "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19) "After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also. 20) "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21) "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him."

Romans 8:9-13
9) However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10) If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11) But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. 12) So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh- 13) for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
16) Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17) If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.

1 Corinthians 6:17-19
17) But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 18) Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. 19) Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?

Romans 8:14-16
14) For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15) For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" 16) The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,

Galatians 4:4-8
4) But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, 5) so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. 6) Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" 7) Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God. 8) However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods.

John 1:32-33
32) John testified saying, " I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33) "I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'

1 Corinthians 12:12-13
12) For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13) For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22
21) Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, 22) who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

Ephesians 1:13
13) In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30
30) Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Acts 13:2-4
2) While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." 3) Then, when they had fasted and prayed and laid their hands on them, they sent them away. 4) So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia and from there they sailed to Cyprus.

Acts 20:28
28) "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

1 Corinthians 12:7-14
7) But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8) For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9) to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10) and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 11) But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills. 12) For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13) For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. 14) For the body is not one member, but many.

Romans 8:26-27
26) In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27) and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

Ephesians 2:18
18)for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.

Acts 2:4
18) And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.

Acts 4:29-31
29)"And now, Lord, take note of their threats, and grant that Your bond-servants may speak Your word with all confidence, 30) while You extend Your hand to heal, and signs and wonders take place through the name of Your holy servant Jesus." 31) And when they had prayed, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with boldness.

Galatians 5:22-23
5) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 6) gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Ephesians 5:18
18) And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,

John 14:26
18) "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

1 Corinthians 2:13-14
13) which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. 14) But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

Galatians 5:22-23
22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23) gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Ephesians 1:17
17) that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.

John 14:16-20
16) "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17) that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. 18) "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19) "After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also. 20) "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.

John 16:13
13) "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

Acts 1:8
8) but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth."

1 Corinthians 2:4-5
4) and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5) so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.

Ephesians 3:14-19
14) For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, 15) from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name, 16) that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner man, 17) so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18) may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19) and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God.

1 Thessalonians 1:5
5) for our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction; just as you know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake.

Romans 8:11
11) But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Romans 8:22-25
22) For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23)And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24) For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? 25) But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

 

Jaree, these are not my words, because my words mean nothing compared to the powerful truth of the holy spirit and which is taken from the bokk of books.

 

Man i have other things to do and i am here not for these discussions but for business so i cannot spend all that time here reading all that copy paste. Etiher give me exact reason or quote where bible says its holy spirit. I have to leave now sorry

 

.John 16:8-15
8) "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; 9) concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10) and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; 11) and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged. 12) "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13) "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14) "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. 15) "All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

The spirit of truth and not muhammad, there's no truth in muhammad.

 

I cannot argue with you who have nothing else to do but sit here and keep refereshing the page. I have better things to do then to find out what is holy spirit but once again i must say i am not convinced with that answer not even 1% I told you not to assume anything but you just cannot control yourself since you have nothing else to worry about. So sit here and keep refereshing until you get tired and then go to bed and come again tommorow. I humbly give my opinion that GET A LIFE there are better things in the world to do then refereshing pages

 

1 Corinthians 2:13-14
13) which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. 14) But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised

 

Jaree

Your claim is that muhammad was foretold in the bible and I have dismissed all these claims and now you're avoiding the truth.

If I would be a muslim and believe in the claim that muhammad was foretold in the Bible, I'd study every single letter in that book just for more understanding of my prophet.

But as we both know well it doesn't work because the claims can't stand.

And using the Bible as a convinence store, in the hope that others wil not find out, and twisting the truth in order to give (satan) muhammad the credit, is blasphemy at its highest, and by declaring everything else written, which isn't fitting your (muslims) concepts, in the Bible as nonesense.

Shame on islam

Why then use it(the Bible) at all? Whom do they(you) seek to blind?

Take the chance if you are really seeking the truth and don't go with the ones who twist it.
That will serve you best.

 

You have no life, I do not want to argue with someone who have nothing to do. Get a life,learn some manners and then come back but why would you right? You have nothing to do. I have never seen a single useful post from you and i dont expect to see one in future either so i dont care. Northpointaki invited me here and i had one concern. Learn something and then argue with me because i dont waste my time with ignorant people like you.

Northpointaiki i am sorry and i hope that i answered your question. If you need more help feel free to post here but i will not reply to Arnie now just because he or she didnt honor the rules.

Arnie this forum is very useful then you think so make use of it and if you just want to argue without any proof go somewhere else where other people are ignorant but its not same here at DP

 

Speaking only for myself, I am not interested in converting anyone, and I have no use for religion. I am interested in what folks who are into religion have to say about social practice, regarding human beings, living here, and now.

Jaree, I appreciate you posting your thoughts. You have given me some things to think on.

Paul

 

you are comix : )

 

I'm refering to your recommended link and have to assume that you identify with it.
I only checked on one page to find the misconception and missleading claims of your buddies and most likely your believes. Tehre is no need to look any further. Nothing else than propaganda at its worst.

Thanks anyway, because that may help others to see the truth as well.

God bless you