Another terrorist attack by Israel?

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  1. gauharjk

    gauharjk Notable Member

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    #101
    Excerpt from Source: http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/06/the-flotilla-raid-was-not-bungled-the-idf-detailed-its-violent-strategy-in-advance/

    Excellent analysis of the Flotilla raid by Max Blumenthal...


    The Israeli military broadcast its plan for violence, inciting the Israeli public and the soldiers of Unit 13 with fevered visions of a kill-or-be-killed encounter with a group of Arab “terrorists.” The stated conditions for using live fire were arbitrary and poorly defined, giving the commandos little direction and lots of leeway to kill — at the very least the plan demanded force in some form….

    Were they that stupid, or just crazy? From the details of the plan it appears that Netanyahu and his cohorts had envisioned Entebbe Part Deux, a daring anti-terror raid that would lift the sinking morale of the Israeli public while intimidating Iran and the Arab world. Though Israel may be more isolated than ever as a result of the massacre, the Netanyahu administration is reaping considerable political benefits at home.

    The day after the massacre, spontaneous celebrations broke out in Ashdod, Tel Aviv, and throughout the country, bringing together right-wing elements with everyday Israelis. Over a thousand Israelis gathered tonight outside the Turkish embassy in Tel Aviv to rally against the Turkish government and express their support for the raid. Multiple demonstrators including one man who has lived in Israel for 60 years told me, “What Turkey [the sponsor of the Mavi Marmara boat] has done is great. I have never seen this country more united in my entire life. We are all standing together now.” (Video coming soon).

    Israeli newscasters are routinely using the term “mechabel,” or terrorist, to refer to the flotilla activists, while the violence that broke out on the deck of the Mavi Marmara is called “the lynch.” (Nevermind that zero commandos were hung and nine activists were killed, including an American citizen who was shot in the head four times.) No evidence is required to support claims in the Israeli media. The public desperately wants to believe that its government is right, so much so that Israel’s media is not even making a token effort to challenge the increasingly hysterical press releases disseminated by the IDF press office every few hours.

    Hanin Zoabi, a Palestinian-Israeli member of the Knesset who was on the Mavi Marmara, was physically accosted in the Knesset by fellow legislators for attempting to relate her experience aboard the flotilla. MK Miri Regev of Likud called her a “traitor,” while Yoel Hasson of Kadima, a supposedly centrist party, denounced Zoabi as a “terrorist.” An Israeli Facebook group devoted to inciting Zoabi’s assassination has gathered 600 members in just a day and a half. In the meantime, Israel’s Interior Minster Eli Yishai is “looking into” means of stripping Zoabi of her citizenship.
     
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  2. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #102
    A Wolf was drinking at a spring on a hillside. On looking up he saw a Lamb just beginning to drink lower down. "There's my supper," thought he, "if only I can find some excuse to seize it." He called out to the Lamb, "How dare you muddle my drinking water?"

    "No," said the Lamb; "if the water is muddy up there, I cannot be the cause of it, for it runs down from you to me."

    "Well, then," said the Wolf, "why did you call me bad names this time last year?"

    "That cannot be," said the Lamb; "I am only six months old."

    "I don't care," snarled the Wolf; "if it was not you, it was your father;" and with that he rushed upon the poor little Lamb and ate her all up.

    The moral of the story: The wolf needs no excuse.

    Islamist are commanded to attack nonbelievers in the Qua'ran. Nothing we do or say can change that. We're going to get attacked until we either defeat fundamentalist Islam or we accept dhimmitude underneath it.

    From the Quran:

    9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
     
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  3. ChaosTrivia

    ChaosTrivia Active Member

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    #103
    LOL
    I didn't see in the article any violence strategy detailed in advance. Did anybody?
     
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  4. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #104
    What a ridiculously stupid theory. Civilized people do not get themselves beat unconscious, stabbed, clubbed, and shot on purpose.

    The Israeli's error was in believing that the people on that ship were going to be peaceful, like the other five ships in the "floatilla."

    The writer of the article is so obviously and willfully ignorant. For example, he writes "The Israeli Navy could have done what it had in the past and hijacked the aid ships without boarding them, then towed them to shore." Any person with an IQ above room temperature will see the difference between towing a small vessel like the Spirit of Humanity and a huge oceanliner like the Mavi Marmara. He's obviously not looking for the truth.
     
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  5. samser_m

    samser_m Well-Known Member

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    #105
    @gauharjk thank you for your nice post with GOOD information.
     
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  6. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #106
    You didn't read it, did you? :p
     
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  7. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #108
    What a pity for you that this particular photo was already discredited here and here. Try again.
     
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  9. iggysick

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    #109
    It has nothing with supporting terrorism. It's funny how you are talking about being brave doing same thing posting from home computer LMAO!
    Why the heck you don't go and sunk that ship? Showing bravery here and wanted to be brutal on frigin' internet forum and than accussing someone else for that lol

    Seriously, if you want to be brutal, threat people with brutality you will get what you ask for so don't whine when you get another plane in a building because somewhere out there, from enemy side, if someone thinking just like you, and Will.Spencer and the rest of hardcore israeli supporters, but with guts to do something and not just support brutality on internet forums.

    That goes to you too Will.
     
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  10. DevilHellz

    DevilHellz Well-Known Member

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    #110
    You have shown your true colors, Moreplayerz. (Not like it was a mystery to us ;) )
     
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  11. iggysick

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    #111
    How so? You guys support brutality but only support brutality from your side. If you wants to be brutal don't expect fllowers from other side. As simple as that. Imho you guys are too blinded with hate to realise that simple thing.
     
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  12. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #112
    Support for law and order may seem like support for brutality if you are one of the violent protesters attacking the police with clubs and knifes and you go down in the tear gas and a hail of rubber bullets. It may seem like brutality if you are on a boat trying to run a military blockade in order to open up the free shipment of weapons to a group of people sworn to the destruction of Israel, and the Israelis instead sink your boat. It still remains law and order, and most sane people on the planet support it. Flying a passenger jet filled with innocent civilians from all parts of the world into a building filled with innocent civilians from all parts of the world, just to make a political statement is seen as brutality by pretty much everyone (except you and your kind).

    I said you are brave in openly posting support for terrorism from your home IP because it is a well known fact the US government, and others now, are actively crawling internet forums where people support terrorism and building watch lists. Its called being proactive in the war on terror, and people like you who make those kinds of statements need only a small nudge from your Imam to take the extra step to violence. Its a bit of a catch 22 for you. Post, recruit, and help spread the hate, but risk being identified early, or remain quiet, let cooler heads prevail, and come in as a sleeper. It pisses me off because people like you are raising my taxes. Because of you, my tax dollars have to pay for yet another government investigator to find out who you are, find out who your friends are, and determine if there is a real threat, or if you are just another limp dick terrorist wannabe talking big on the forums. I hate big government, so yes, your posts annoy me to no end.
     
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  13. oregonthunder2

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    #113
    Israel has every right to defend itself. Kind of funny how the Red Cross ship was sent by Iran.
     
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  14. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #114
    The smoking gun in that article, "Israelis instructed to use live fire as a last resort". Wow! A plan to commit violence uncovered! I'm just trying to figure out if it is the audience of such an article (like Gauharik and Samser) that is reading impaired, or if it is the award winning New York times author and Israel hater that is speaking in some codified language that only people like Gauharik and Samser understand. Seriously. I read "violence as a last resort" and that sounds to me like, "avoid violence at all costs". These guys write and read "violence as a last resort" and they hear "Israel planned violence from the start". Everyone is reading the same information and getting two completely different meanings. How many ways are there to interpret "violence as a last resort"?
     
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  15. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #115
    When you hate Jews and Israel it becomes easy to justify your intellectual dishonesty. When it is your own religion and God that command the hate, it becomes second nature and they do not even know how twisted their interpretation of things has become.
     
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  16. Will.Spencer

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    #116
    It's too bad for you that the "data" on those two web sites is all wrong. Apparently you and they haven't seen the video where that still was taken from -- even though you have been replying to threads where that video has been posted a half dozen times.

    Honestly, you're never going to learn anything if you continue to refuse to do proper research.
     
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  17. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #117
    Nope, no confusion. When the "Menj" account got banned for similar abusive posts, the "wife's" account was used instead - wink, wink ;)

    The posts, grammar, content and abrasiveness are identical.
     
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  18. iggysick

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    #118
    Wow! Seriously LOL
    I'm glad that I raised your taxes hahahahahaha
    Btw how did I supported terrorism? By saying that when you support brutality the same thing will use your enemies? :D
    Seriously, get a life.
     
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    #119
    How did you support terrorism?

    Good way to get labeled as just another terrorist sympathizer, one more third world kid with pipe-dreams that his benighted backward ideology will magically take over the world.

    On the bright side it isnt like you had a lot of credibility anyway.

    For example:
    In just this thread you tried to challenge the idea that the passenger/combatants used knives in the attack (see post #25), denying that proof existed... then by post #87 you apparently forgot that ruse and personally posted a picture of an Israeli commando laying wounded and a passenger standing over him with a knife. LOL... not a bright move. Keep trying kid.
     
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  20. iggysick

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    #120
    LOL and that's supporting terrorism?!? :D
    Quick! Report it to CIA! :D
    Seriously, you guys support brutality and I only pointed out what coming your way sooner or later. You can't support brutality and expect fllowers to come from other side so stay away from tall buildings.

    Wow! My life is over! :D
    Seriously, you can keep that "world" of yours for yourself. I have no desire to be part of it. You can trust me on this one. Your "world" makes me sick.

    First, when I challenged use of knieves in attack those pictures still wasn't published and it's my right to challenge anything.

    Second, picture of a man with a knife isn't any kind of proofs that he actually stubbed or attacked anyone with it. Or maybe it is in your "world"? Grandpa.
     
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