HTML5 and Standards Based Video Unless we all vow to dump this turd of a browser, IE, and get all our friends and family to do so, too.
I am trying to figure why this thread was created. As in that article you mentioned, "HTML 5 is still in the draft process and has not yet been ratified by W3C" If it was a proper ratified working standard, then your statement would have some validity. As it stands, using your viewpoint, one could say that we should all ditch Firefox because it is holding back designers by not implementing CSS3 Animation or HTML5 form features or Server-sent DOM events, right now. HTML 5 video is in a mess with the OGG debacle and does not have a consensus last I heard. To call it Standards Based Video would be incorrect right now - it is still in draft and in turmoil with different standpoints by browsers and industry.
It's part of his crusade. By the way, drhowarddrfine, why did you change the links in your footer? The one that used to compare the standards compliance of the various browsers.
Standards do not invent things and are based on working implementations. The HTML5 group considers two or more implementations validation for the standard. The point is, ALL other browsers have implemented these methods. Microsoft has not. In addition, Microsoft chairs the HTML5 group AND rarely shows up or even responds to correspondence (according to the HTML5 editor, Ian Hickson, which I posted elsewhere). All the browser vendors participated in writing that and all the browser vendors are working on it. Except Microsoft which doesn't participate. Hardly a mess considering there are working implementation in Firefox and Webkit. The only concern is avoiding patent issues with codecs. But the whole point of the thread is Microsoft's lack of particiption in the group that writes all this even though they chair the group. I'm repeating what the article says for you already but when the most used browser doesn't participate in writing standards everyone else implements, how can we developers use new methods? IE8 is already 11 years behind everyone else. Originally the link compared browser up through IE7 but that link hasn't completely updated for IE8 so the current site makes more sense.
Of course. All web developers who know what they're doing promote the demise of IE. The 'crusade' is for those who are unaware and, hopefully, will get them to inform their non-technical friends and family to dump that turd for a modern browser so we can implement things ... like XHTML or SVG or canvas or use the DOM properly and on and on.
The first link you sent, dealt with one aspect of a working draft of HTML 5, which is why the thread title does not make sense. Without a ratified standard, you have the risk of various browsers implementing things that may not make the final cut. The ugly outcomes of post standard HTML 4 is a stark reminder of this. In some ways, I am sure there are web designers who would be happy for Microsoft to give input only as required but implement the full standard into whatever browser thay have at that time, once it is complete and ratified. If they don't, then they deserve all and any criticism directed to them If you had made the link relating to Microsoft's lack if participation in your first thread, the title of the thread would have been more relevant. With regard to Ian, until about March, I followed the Mozilla team discussions on HTML 5 in which he was actively involved. You could sense the exasperation in some of his comments with the differing views and timelines and pressures from industry groups. I know of the interview you refer to, but it is worth noting that some of the "agreements" others were pushing on him would be a designers nightmare and weighed on him more than Microsoft's lack of response. I have the link bookmarked at home and will post the discussion page(s) later if you are interested. HTML 5 is a long way away to be honest. Ian's October timeline is wishful thinking. With regard to your signature links, I have already in another post from memory given a review of each one, with them being either out of date or having been resolved to an extent. I do not believe the "11 years behind" is a valid statement.
Standards are based on working implementations and not inventions of any standards committee. HTML5 Working Group is composed of those who also make the browsers. Anything in there was written by them. It is expected to be ratified in 2020. So you think Microsoft should wait till then for HTML5? HTML5 Gallery I should update the last two but the first is current. Start here but there's more. IE8 is a pitiful excuse for a browser and Microsoft should be ashamed. Chris Wilson talks of his depression over it and even quit the IE dev team. Perhaps he does have a conscious.
Honestly, Claudek, if you have information no one else has showing IE8 is on solid ground with standards compliance and moving the web forward, I would love to see it because it must be well hidden and no one in the world has been able to find it.