Annan/UN say Close Gitmo - US Says No

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by yo-yo, Feb 16, 2006.

  1. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #21
    Exactly, very bad things. Stop all this PC bull shit about supporting them. I'll start supporting them when they start locking up the bad ones among them instead of protecting them, covering it up, and hiding it.

    I agree with, but in complete honestly - can you actually say that Bush or anyone else has either?

    Agreed. Neither party is bringing us anything worthy of a president, and George "Mass Murderrer" Bush is no exception, he's proof.

    Like i've said before - the war on terror is nothing but propaganda. It's a war that cannot be won, just like the war on drugs.

    If anything, our actions have only caused MORE terrorism, MORE motivation for terrorism and MORE murder.

    Agreed. Now if you could just get all these party labelers (henny especially) to stop making everything a republican vs democrat issue, and make it what it is - we might be able to change something.

    Yep... who do we have to blame? Only ourselves for letting it happen.

    Seen drudge today? 3 new articles about cameras going up all over cities, inside private businesses, etc - privacy and freedom are (and have been) gone.

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    CHICAGO MAYOR WANTS POLICE CAMERAS IN PRIVATE BUSINESSES...
    Houston eyes cameras at apartment complexes, homes...
    Surveillance Cameras To Monitor Santa Monica Promenade, Pier...
     
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  2. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #22
    Really? Has a court of law made that ruling? Did a trial by jury convict him of being a terrorist? :confused: :confused:

    Please Gtech, show me - I must have missed it - where he recieved a fair trial and has been ruled a terrorist?

    You mean when it concerns the rights of citizens being innocent until proven guilty ;)

    In reality we have nothing but the Bush Admin saying he is a terrorist, and you're taking their word for it. I suppose you'd like to go back to the days of McCarthyism wouldn't you ;)
     
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  3. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #23
    You presume that is a requirement. Has a court made a ruling that bin laden is a terrorist? Enemy combatants are subject to military law. Meaning your friends are not entitled to the same rights as citizens.

    You need only read the link I posted with clear case law that defines enemy combatants. You seek to give a terrorist rights they do not have. I'm sure they appreciate your efforts but would chop your head off just the same.

    No, just like I said it...when it comes to the rights of terrorists. Who among us doesn't know who you support?
     
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    BamaStangGuy Notable Member

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    #24
    According to you yo-yo every senator that authorized force is a mass murderer as well. :rolleyes: See this is what turns people off. Calling people mass murderes and acting like they are hitler and comparing them to hitler.

    It's ridiculous. You over exaggerate every goddamn thing and act like the world is going to end tomorrow.
     
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  5. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #25
    I think you're the one exaggerating. Want to quote me on that genious? :rolleyes:

    Quote above where I compare him to hitler please? :rolleyes:

    As far as I'm concerned he's responsible for the Iraq/Afghan wars and at least partially 9/11 - I'd say that makes him a mass murderrer.

    You're rediculous. You want to keep making personal attacks on me, and assume things about me instead of have any real discussion about the issues.
     
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  6. BamaStangGuy

    BamaStangGuy Notable Member

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    #26
    You called Bush a Mass Murderer. It doesn't take a genious to figure out that if Bush is a Mass Murderer that everyone that stood behind him and gave him the authority to attack is one as well.

    Tell me you don't think so then :)

    As far as I am concerned you have no proof he is behind 9/11 so until you can prove it you just have a conspiracy theory. He is responsible for the Iraq and Afgan war along with about 90 US Senators.

    I call it like I see it. You over exaggerate everything to make it seem 100x worse than it is. You believe in conspiracy theories backed by horrible evidence. I just call it like I see it. You are an extremist opposite of Bush.
     
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  7. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #27
    Not if they were decieved into it.

    Hitler is still much worse, but bush has a few years left to catch up :cool:

    More irrational babble. The official story is nothing more than a conspiracy theory - therefor it is illogical for any reasonable person so dismiss other theories as "conspiracy theories"... but since your not a logical, or rational person I don't expect you to understand that.
     
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    #28
    To me, this is simple.

    They (al Qaida) declared war;
    They attacked us, an act of war;
    They are POWs
    Their only rights are what the Geneva Convention gives them. Nothing more.
     
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    #29
    Simple yes, but extremely hard to grasp when you have someone with warped thinking like yo-yo where everyone is out to get you!
     
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    BamaStangGuy Notable Member

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    #30
    But Bush could not have been deceived into it by people telling us they had WMD? The CIA? France? Saudia Arabia? All those said YES Iraq has WMD's.

    Bush couldn't have been deceived thought because you hate him and he can do nothing right. You want everything to be his fault and you get your nut off to the thought of everything going wrong and him getting blamed for it.


    :) I knew it

    I'm not logical? If anyone is irrational it is you. Trying to blow everything up to make it seem worse than it is.

    Oh and as far as I am concerned YOU STILL DON'T HAVE ANY PROOF.
     
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  11. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #31
    Umm... they aren't getting the rights the Geneva Convention affords them because they aren't considered POWs by the Bush Admin. So what am I not grasping? :confused:
     
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    #32
    :) Just because the Geneva Convention does not state that unlawful combatants are not prisoners of war doesn't mean that they shouldn't be considered prisoners of war :)

    taken from:

    If you want to make things up as you go I can too.
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #33
    You're such a moron.

    The whole article (and the point) is that they should be given rights and should be POWs. The Bush admin is just labeling them "enemy combatants" as an excuse to keep them from having rights.

    So what exactly don't you agree with?
     
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    #34
    To be Prisoners of War you must first admit we are at war which we are not according to you :)

    Now who is calling names :cool:
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #35
    You're arguing for the sake of arguing and it's getting really lame.

    It's not according to me, it's according to the President. It's not "officially" a war, just like vietnam wasn't officially a war.

    I'm done with your non sense.
     
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    #36
    put yoyo on ignore, it works well. I see by what you keep quoting of his, you are not going to get anywhere with him. His life is surrounded by conspiracy theories. I am going to guess that he is a survivalist who thinks that the Gov't is out to get him, probably even a neo-nazi, since they seem to be the most paranoid out there.
     
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    #37
    Oh? Here's what you said. Read it again.

    I don't see "soldiers" in that sentence and America is a nation-state not an individual. Also, how is someone who is defending an attack a terrorist? I would love to hear the answer on that one. If Mexico invaded America, would those of us who are defending our territory be terrorists?

    What do you know about WWII specifically? Hitler was the leader of Germany. The state of Germany (yes, the entire state) declared war.
    What does a state formally declaring war on other states have to do with Iraq's position?
     
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  18. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #38

    Old Kofi is the last person that should be suggesting anything related to US policy.

    Since when does the UN dictate US policy?
     
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