An International Section: Spanish and Hindi

Discussion in 'Support & Feedback' started by donwebcorleone, Jan 24, 2006.

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An International Section

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. I dont care

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  1. #1
    Why dont you add a small international section for, lets say, spanish or hindi speakers? as i can tell from the introduction section, there are so many spanish and hindi speaking members here, so create an international section subdivided in these 2 languages at least.

    Remember to read english is easy, to write in english is not....:(

    I see so many questions, where to cash a cheque in India? :confused: hi! im from X latinamerican country how good is too use Adsense on Yahoo or Google Mexico, Costa Rica, Argentina, etc; can u check the content of my website (but the website is in Hindi! so :confused: ), where can i find a nice hosting in Philippines, etc. I think it would be wise and helpful to create just an international section to post on these languages whether to chill out among non-english native speakers or to ask questions that are more relevant to them.

    anyway it doesnt hurt the DP community to have a small international section and increase the international spirit among the members. A small international section to write your posts if the post is strictly focus to a region or to a non-english website, etc.

    anyway my advice.
     
    donwebcorleone, Jan 24, 2006 IP
  2. yfs1

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    #2
    Would you like a section for every language and region in the world?
     
    yfs1, Jan 24, 2006 IP
  3. donwebcorleone

    donwebcorleone Peon

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    not, but just visit the introduction area and see where most international members come from (india and latinamerica) and second, being from Ireland is not botherful to you to read a post like "I want good webssite, pages not work good, how to changee? sorry my english poor). I m not obviously english native speaker and it does bother me. better if they post the question on an international section, dont u think?

    and second, how does an international section affects you as a member? after all you wont visit that area.
     
    donwebcorleone, Jan 24, 2006 IP
  4. T0PS3O

    T0PS3O Feel Good PLC

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    #4
    For non-spanish speakers it could be helpful for reference to know how those things work in Spain/Mexico whilst reading it in English. Compartmentalizing the forums is not the right direction IMO.
     
    T0PS3O, Jan 24, 2006 IP
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  5. yfs1

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    Except then the forum is divided and the main forum suffers...Plus how could you possibly monitor that many languages.

    I think in the past Shawn has said there are already SEO forums in every language so there isn't really a need.
     
    yfs1, Jan 24, 2006 IP
  6. tresman

    tresman Well-Known Member

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    #6
    I think the forum should be kept in English, but also agree with TOPS30.

    I am Spanish and I know this market is growing really quick, but works pretty different than the English one. Basically and at least for now (let's see if Mr. Cutts is true and they're on it), SERPS rankings works in a completely different way. Actually, spam dominates quite important niches and the SEO companies mostly do "link popularity circuits" (links farms).

    Also and IMHO Spanish language in all forms is going to be the next market to reach by US webmasters, so having a Spanish area is just to anticipate to the next level.

    However, I think English is the common language for the Internet so it should be done but keeping English as the communicating way.

    BTW: I must say I'm not gonna participate on these kind of forums. I don't on Spanish SEO forums and the Spanish audience is not my target. But I found it a good idea.
     
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  7. yfs1

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    The thing is there are already Spanish forums for SEO out there....Seeing as how the Admin nor any of the Mods speak fluent Spanish, how could DP do better. A lot of people bounce between other SEO forums which is the best scenario.

    Its like saying DP should offer online banking since a lot of people use it and it would make it easier for those that bank online.

    I realize language sections are related in a way but they would be run as seperate forums so how would that benefit this forum?
     
    yfs1, Jan 24, 2006 IP
  8. sachin410

    sachin410 Illustrious Member

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    #8
    The idea is very difficult to implement ...unless there is a very reliable moderator for individual languages.

    Still , I think it is not a bad idea.

    English is used by just 30% of the internet users. There is a big non-English market out there. For example, China has a very large number of internet users, but there are hardly any users from China on DP... the main problem being the language barrier.

    http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats7.htm

    Also I would like to point out that although a large number of Indians know Hindi, most of them use English and not Hindi for surfing and a Hindi-centric site is not a good idea.
     
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  9. tresman

    tresman Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure if ysf1 reply was related to mine, but anyway here I go.

    Creating sub forums for different markets will help in a long term to have valuable information. Different languages and markets need different approaches. And while a XXX language market sub forum is close related to what we talk here (creating & marketing websites and anything to do with this), I'm sorry but IMHO online banking is not.

    If someone requests to create a different forums here is because they think DP members can add valuable information. They can off course go to others forums to look for that information, but they could also do that for discussing SEO and the like and they come here.

    And to have a XXX market sub forum in English doesn't obligate Mods to speak that forums originating language. The forum can still be in English, it simply markets a different niche.

    However, I also agree that its implementation is difficult, but it's a good idea to keep in mind for the future. Spanish talking US citizens is a growing market which shouldn't be missed.
     
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  10. T0PS3O

    T0PS3O Feel Good PLC

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    Just wait until translation algo's are sophisticated enough, then we can all type in our own language and read other people's replies in the language of our choice, regardless of what they typed it in. And all without loss of meaning/context/humour etc.

    ...dreaming on...
     
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  11. donwebcorleone

    donwebcorleone Peon

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    #11
    my proposal is to create a sub-section on Digital Point that is called International Section (next to Underground, Introductions, etc) and that is subdivided in the 2 languages that most non-english speaker DP members use(spanish and hindi right now). you just need a moderator in each area. the rest of the DP Forum continues to be in english. so i dont see any harm or problem to implement it.

    and are you guys forgetting that more than 35% of the US population speaks spanish and growing.... that spanish is spoken in 40 countries and hindi is spoken by one billion people. DP would access now almost 50% of the world population just adding these 2 languages. thats business and thats being smart.

    believe me i did trilingual blogs for a while and it obviously increased my audience exponentially (3 google language search engines, etc)

    subdivide and multiply ; ) wiser words u cant hear
     
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  12. yfs1

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    Except anyone without English as a first language would only post there hence creating two different forums.

    Personally I like the fact that DP is international as it is and everyone mixes
     
    yfs1, Jan 24, 2006 IP
  13. Design Agent

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    yep, English is currently regarded as the language or business and the foremost international language.

    There is no point in an "international section" A guy from chile chatting with a guy from holland are probably going to speak english. It would require most major languages at least and still not work well.

    It would work on seperate forums or you could try registering www.un-seo.com :)
     
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  14. donwebcorleone

    donwebcorleone Peon

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    how will the main forum suffer? DP wont lose members, instead you will increase the number of members. the website will increase its ranking, popularity, more than 2 billion people more aboard, etc.

    maybe u r happy just speaking english. i speak/read in several languages and i think this is the right path, an international section to gain more audience.

    and the guy saying english is the international language yeah it is, but do u know that in Alexa top 20 global websites 11 of them are not in english? yeah more than 50%. think about it, if u do websites to earn money, because google adsense and affiliates programs will pay u whether is english, spanish, etc. why would u create just a simple website to host/upload photos/avatars that has only a single page in english (like imagashake, etc) when u can also create this page that just say upload photo very easily in another languages and earning then more with Adsense? think out of the box.

    http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_sites?ts_mode=global&lang=none
     
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  15. yfs1

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    It can have 10 billion but if they are all in their own sections speaking their own languages, the whole community feeling suffers which is why a lot of people not only sign up but post here in the long run.
     
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  16. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #16
    Well first of all, I think your 35% Spanish speakers in the US is wrong. I live right on the US/Mexico border (San Diego), and it's much lower than that around here.

    As mentioned by others, if you start offering language specific sections, you are going to compartmentalize/segregate users. I don't think it would attract more users, just split up the users we already have.

    Not only that, Hindi and Spanish aren't the top non-English users here, so even if language specific sections were to start (which they aren't), it would be German (so it wouldn't help the original poster all that much anyway).
     
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  17. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

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    Hey, why not a Chinese section? There are only a billion of them. :rolleyes:
     
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  18. LaCabra

    LaCabra Goats R Us

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    I nominate fryman and nino to be moderators of forums.digitalpoint.es!
    :)
     
    LaCabra, Jan 24, 2006 IP
  19. WebWriter

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    #19
    I have found that most Americans (who ONLY speak English) don't like the idea of having other languages (or dialects) in their space. Whether it be the workplace, at a restaurant, on a forum...they just don't like it.

    "We don't understand it so don't bring it here, you speak OUR language instead!"

    This is not true for everyone of course, but that's what I've found throughout my studies of linguistics.

    Yes, I am from America.

    Yes, I speak more than one language.

    Edited to add:

    "After English (215.4 million) and Spanish (28.1 million), Chinese
    (2 million) was the language most commonly spoken at home, eclipsing
    French, German and Italian over the decade of the 90s. (See Table 3.)"

    http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/census_2000/001406.html
     
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  20. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #20
    I don't mind people speaking languages I don't speak... but it certainly makes it tough to manage/moderate a forum then. Hard enough to keep up with the topics/posts/moderation when they are in a language the moderators/admins speak.
     
    digitalpoint, Jan 24, 2006 IP