An Exodus of Editors

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by popotalk, Apr 9, 2008.

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  1. #1
    I've read an interesting article about DMOZ Editors at Search Engine Journal. Theres a few of the Top DMOZ Editors that went to a respected Directory on the web. Though some might still be in the Open Project a jump to a new editing world would be interesting for them.

    I know quite a few that are there already excluding those in the lists are DP members Dogbows and Sidjf are there too.

    A big applause for these people.
     
    popotalk, Apr 9, 2008 IP
  2. crowbar

    crowbar Peon

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    Extremely interesting. Those are all top, first class editors in my book. Very highly regarded by all editors. I wish them and this other directory all the best, :).
     
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  3. popotalk

    popotalk Notable Member

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    For the first time I have to agree with you. LOL :D
    So could you relate a message for your bosses that no matter if blacklist or reds they do for a site in the ODP (ex. BOTW) it won't mean a squat. :D
     
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  4. crowbar

    crowbar Peon

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    Editors always feel a kinship with each other, but this other directory is a paid directory, $79 something per year, and no guarantees you'll be accepted after you pay it (as I understand it).

    That means none of these editors can just add a site they find, and I notice they don't mention just how many sites they actually have listed in the directory.

    That's quite a bit different than a free directory with roughly "4,604,632 sites" already listed and thousands of site suggestions being submitted. How do you figure it's any kind of competition?

    I'm all for them being successful, but to be honest, I don't think anyone at the ODP will lose any sleep over it. :D

    But, for people who don't like the ODP, I highly recommend that you go for one of the many paid directories out there, though you might want to get some idea of just how many listings they have, so you can decide if it's really going to be worth the money to be listed in it.

    There's pluses and minuses to each type of directory, I guess, but one actually requires you put your money where your mouth is, and one is free, take your pick, :D.

    But, even if this paid directory were the same size as the ODP Directory, you would still have paid versus free, and many sites, like hobby sites, charitable sites, and informational sites would not be included in the paid directory, so, the ODP would still be the most comprehensive directory in scope.
     
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    popotalk Notable Member

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    *sigh* Another defensive mode. Defense-Defense-Defense :rolleyes: I did not say anything yet. Why such defense.
    No one said its free that is why they were " Hired".
    Were in the world did you get that I said it was a competition ? BTW 4,604,632 sites 20% are dead and no content sites.
    Go back and read the article. Its good for those that can't comprehend.
    You know well my choice don't need to elaborate this one.
    Look at it this way, We have the same "Hotdog". You might have the bigger size mine is smaller but people loves it and pays for it, yours is free but people hates it because it so slow of results. :eek:
     
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    crowbar Peon

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    Actually, I was wrong. It's not a paid directory, there's a charge for "expedited listings". That's not apparent on their website, but, Annie explained it to me privately, so I need to straighten out that misinformation.

    Well, cool, they are still fellow editors and I wish them the best in their endeavors, :).
     
    crowbar, Apr 9, 2008 IP
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    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    #7
    So ... how do we apply for a job ;)
     
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    crowbar Peon

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    I think you have to be invited, ;).
     
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    popotalk Notable Member

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    #9
    Wanna jump too Sarah ? :D

    Your a DP itamer, all you need to do is search for Mr.Prince username. You'll be a great addition to the team. ;)

    @crowbar
    If you wanna jump, now is the time, Empire State is very available. :D
     
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    #10
    Read the press release, and if you are interested follow the instructions :)

    Press release here

    That's exactly what our editors do. All commercial submissions are handled by staff editors, and recruited editors surf the web all day seeking out high quality resources that are relevant to the category they are editing in. Roughly 90% of all sites listed within BOTW are added in this manner. It's what we have always done, and what we'll continue to do.

    That's pretty accurate. It's a pay for review, and payment in no way increases your likelihood of listing. You pay for the review, and if the site meets the guidelines it is listed in the most relevant category. If it doesn't meet the guidelines, the site owner is informed of the rejection and given an opportunity to make corrections and submit an appeal.

    That's not our intention. We're not overly concerned with what they're doing, as we are sure they are not very concerned with what we're doing. It's a big internet - there's room for us both to mutually thrive.
     
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    nebuchadrezzar Peon

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    So without paying for submission the site will only be listed if one of your editors who "surf the web all day seeking out high quality resources" stumble upon it.

    Sounds like payment massively increases the chances of the "your likelihood of listing" to me. But then I am not really that familiar with the pay for inclusion directory double speak so I guess I am missing something.
     
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    Payment massively increases the chances of your site being reviewed. Whether it is listed or not depends upon the quality of the site - not if payment for review has been received.

    Our editors add thousands and thousands of sites for free (well free for the site owner, not free for us) on a weekly basis. We add far more sites on our own than those that are submitted via the commercial channel.

    Pretty straightforward, or still double speak?
     
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    nebuchadrezzar Peon

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    #13
    Yep clear as crystal. To massively increase ones chance of inclusion you need to pay the dollars. Sounds like a pretty good revenue generation plan to me.

    Kudos to you guys. Nothing wrong with making money.

     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #14
    With all the internal fighting which is going on in DMOZ, I am sure many of DMOZ editors will be reading this if they know about it. You have chosen a good time to launch this, good luck. :D
     
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    Naw, I have enough trouble keeping up with the work in one directory, but, I don't have any issue with another directory trying to do the same thing. In the end, the web surfer wins, which is the goal.

    There's no need for any anomosity between the two, that I can see. :)
     
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    popotalk Notable Member

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    Yes indeed and it surely is and I hope someday that BOTW could surpass the ODP in terms of quality sites listed not only that but maintenance of sites as well for those with a no content value/one page sites that exists and integrity of listed sites/maintenance that will surely cover also the legality of usage not covering extreme adult or illegal sites as the ODP have presently.

    Who said there is ? But of my knowledge only the ODP holds something against BOTW as it has a tag (some kind of a Do Not List) of some sort. As I have wondered how come a professional and quality directory is not included in its list while crap websites do exist across the ODP categories. Its very simple Search to do. :rolleyes:

    Why ?
     
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    I don't edit in a lot of areas. If such a thing exists, though, it would be an internal matter that I can't discuss on an outside forum. You wouldn't want me to get the ole boot would ya? :D
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    you don't need to be editor in a specific area, the list of sites that should not be listed is available to all editors in internal forum and as I remember it is also sorted by alphabetic order. :D
     
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    Editors know many things they are not free to discuss, but when we do tell you something, it's usually pretty accurate.
     
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    popotalk Notable Member

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    What grandiose bull this is crowbar. Your getting better and better daily with this kind. Your in a direction of becoming a Senior Editor. :D
    Is that a fact or just the usual smokescreen and bafflegab you learned from your bosses. :rolleyes:
     
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