American Student goes to Palestine to help only to find out the truth

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  1. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #761
    You can deny it all you want but El Mufti is the muslim connection to the holocaust

    At the Nuremberg Trials, Eichmann's deputy Dieter Wisliceny (subsequently executed as a war criminal) testified:

    The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. ... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz.

    With the collapse of Nazi Germany in 1945, the Mufti moved to Egypt where he was received as a national hero.

    After the war al-Husseini was indicted by Yugoslavia for war crimes, but escaped prosecution.

    http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php
     
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    #762
    Sure, I believe you and it sound logical that nazis actually didn't wanted to exterminate Jews but some mufti from ME made them do it! :rolleyes:
    Can you show us some proof expect testify of nazi war criminal? Somehow I don't believe him. :)
    Like I asked you before can you provide us with some info when and how did Mufti "planned Holocaust with Eichmann"? Germans were very pendant at that time and everything was documented so you will have no problems to find documents to prove what you claim.
    I don't deny that Mufti was a nazi lover (even Jewish Lehi terrorist offerred cooperation to nazis back at the time!) but your fairy tale is just that: a fairy tale to provide you material for spreading hate.

    So answer my questions: when and how did he helped to plan Holocaust with Eichmann? A month and a year should do and also a document or two. :)
     
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    Mufti Asks Hungary to Send Jews to Poland
    An a Sequel to This Request
    400,000 Jews Were Subsequently Killed


    To authorize these Jews to leave your country under the above circumstances and in this way, would by no means solve the Jewish problem and would certainly not protect your country against their evil influence - far from it! - for this escape would make It possible for them to communicate and combine freely with their racial brethren in enamy countries in order to strengthen their position and to exert a more dangerous influence on the outcome of the war, especially since, as a consequence of their long stay in your country. they are necessarily in a position to know many of your secrets and also about your war effort. All this comes on top of the terrible damage done to the friendly Arab nation which has taken its place at your side in this war and which cherishes for your country the most sincere feelings and the very best wishes.

    This is the reason why I ask your excellency to permit me to draw your attention to the necessity of preventing the Jews from leaving your country for Palestine: and If there are reasons which make their removal necessary, it would be indispensable and Infinitely preferable to send them to other countries where they would find themselves under active control, for example, in Poland, in order thereby to protect oneself from their menace and avoid the consequent damages


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    Source: The Arab Higher Committee. Its Origins, Personnel and Purposes. Documentary Record Submitted to the United Nations, May 1947, by the Nation Associates.
     
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  4. iggysick

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    #764
    More propaganda crap. Keep trying but this time try harder. :)
    Hungarians didn't killed anyone because some mufti asked them. German army occupied Hungary and mass deportations of Jews started right after occupation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Holocaust
     
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  5. bogart

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    #765
    Jews were escaping from Hungary via Bulgari and Turkey. El Mufti's intervention led to thousands of Jews subsequently be killed, because they escape was halted.
     
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    #766
    You won't get iggy to admit anything, he is as bad as stox in the know-it-all department. Something about proving they can't learn anything that keeps them where he is.
     
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  7. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #767
    Iggy has WMDs - Weapons Of Mass Denial :D
     
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    #768
    Lets not forget that Israel has thousands of palestinian prisoners some for over 30 years. No one ever seems to mention that. But the 1 israeli soldier who got captured 2 years ago is constantly on the evening news. According to Geneva conventions, the UN has a right to go into israel and inspect the POW conditions. Israel refused the UN access, and that was the end of that, it was never heard of again. Funny, if that was palestine who refused the UN access, it would have been a global outrage.

    Also, lets not forget the UN building with UN workers which got blown up by and israeli attack (during the recent israel lebanon war) after SEVERAL warnings from the UN to israel that their attacks were getting closer to the UN building.

    As well, what about the cluster bombs, which are ILLEGAL by international law, which were used by ISRAEL during the recent lebanon war. The UN condemed israel for using those weapons. Israel stopped dropping them. Then, the day before they signed the peace treaty with lebanon, they went in and dropped another MILLION bombs.

    Lastly (but not finally, because there too many incidents to mention here), what about the american and british female peace keepers who were run over by israeli tanks in palestine in 2000?

    This post is not biased, it is merely stating many incidents which rarely come into the western eye.
     
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    #769
    Israelis have been killing innocent people with impunity, all because a super-power supports it in UN, vetoes every resolution, provides billions of dollars of aid and arms every year, threatens its neighbors, and even goes to war for Israel's safety.

    And people like bogart post crappy propaganda to spread more blind hate. Their minds are too clogged to see the truth.

    The same people who escaped persecution 60 years ago have become persecutors. The entire Gaza strip, with its millions of residents, has been starving since 2006, all because of this "International community" has started using collective punishment by overlooking its own rules.
     
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    #770
    That's all part of the controlled Mainstream Media propaganda mate.

    Sad but true.
     
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    #771
    LMAO! And that "document" posted is a proof of that? :D
    Sure, it looks authenticate! Seriously, only you can believe in that shit. Can you tell me who wrote: "An a Sequel to This Request 400,000 Jews Were Subsequently Killed" on top of that "document"? It looks like it was written on same typing machine as whole "document". Don't tell me, Mufti wrote that too! :eek:

    Nope, that keeps you and your kind were you are. People like you and bogart are so blinded by hate that only you can believe in propaganda crap posted on those sites. Funny how you acussed plazimot for being what you are: one of those who believes in everything that has been posted on internet 'cept, of course, anything that makes Jews looks bad. ;)

    Nope, you have HATE - Hate which is not funny but sad.

    It's sad thing in what people like bogart can believe if it's makes Muslims look bad.
     
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    #773
    Anyone here denied that he was a nazi collaborator? :)
    The connection between nazis and Bush family is also documented but I don't see you have complaints about that. ;)
     
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  14. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #774
    The beauty of the internet is that it affords those of even the simplest minds to make anything seem believable.
     
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    #775
    El Mufti was more than a collaborator. He was the the leader of the Islamic Nazis. In 1946 El Mufti escaped to Egypt to continue the war and hatred against the Jews.
     
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    #776
    That's been gone over again and again, and debunked fully.

    Prescott Bush's Alleged Nazi "Ties"
    Rumors about the alleged Nazi "ties" of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated.

    Despite some early financial dealings between Prescott Bush and a Nazi industrialist named Fritz Thyssen (who was arrested by the Nazi regime in 1938 and imprisoned during the war), Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathizer.
    Please, if you don't have a better argument than that you might as well just quit now.

    Bogart has presented you with fact after fact after fact. You have presented nothing but fervent belief.

    Will it kill you to grow up just a little?
     
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    lets assume for an instance that there was a connection bewteen muslims and the holocaust. Right now, the same thing that happened to the jews is happeneing to the palestinians, BY THE ISRAELIS!! When will they get justice? When will they get their reperations?

    We hear the tern "occupation" everyday. This word is the medias attempt to normalize what is really called an ILLEGAL occupation.

    There are even jews IN israel who protest against their governments brutal and no regard attacks. That also commonly gets left out by the media.

    Palestine is a small country that is daily being made smaller by the Israeli settlers. The developers are taking large chunks of life supporting lands from the Palestinians and building houses. Thousand year old olive trees have been uprooted to make way for the Israelis. These trees have supported Palestinian farmers in the production of oil for hundreds of years.

    Many of the Israeli settlers have swimming pools filled with water from Palestinian reservoirs that do not have the capacity to supply even the Palestinians.

    The Israeli Wall: it has thrown the lives of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians into disarray. Families have found themselves split on either side of the wall with their visits restricted by checkpoints. It has divided towns, farming land and even roads in half.
    The UN recently estimated that the barrier has taken more than 10% of West Bank land, according to the 1967 borders. Lipika Pelham visits the northern West Bank village of Der El Ghossun to assess it’s effect.


    Speaking of checkpoints, these are checkpoints within palestine, run by the israelis. A normal 10 minute commute could take a palestinian over one hour to cross due to the checkpoints IN THEIR OWN LAND (what ever scraps of land israel has left them). Imagine if you had to leave an hour early for work every morning, so that soldiers from another country could inspect you.

    I mean, look at the state of the biased world we live in. People have been forced to take down palestinian flags because they were offensive to jews. Do you think someone could ever be forced to take down an isreali flag? never, it would become a media frenzy.

    MORE FACTS (takes from BBC):
    -One of the most infamous killings in the Un's history - the assassination of UN mediator Count Folke Bernadotte - occurred during the body's first peace mission in 1948, just after the state of Israel was declared and war broke out with the Arab states. Count Bernadotte, who in the course of trying to negotiate ceasefires had suggested establishing Jerusalem as an international city, was killed by Israeli extremists in September of that year.

    -In the worst attack ever on a UN site, more than 100 Lebanese civilians who were sheltering in a compound of the body's observer force in southern Lebanon, near the village of Qana were killed in a strike by Israeli artillery in 1996.

    - The Israelis said it was a tragic mistake, but a UN inquiry by a Dutch general concluded that the shelling was probably deliberate.

    - China has condemned an Israeli attack in south Lebanon which killed four United Nations observers, including a Chinese national.

    UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said he was "shocked" at the "apparently deliberate targeting" of the post. Israel has expressed "deep regret".


    What people are most against, when critizing Israel is their complete disregard for civilians. They kill first, and come up with excuses after (the most common one: we thought there were millitants there, we are regretful). This can be seen by some of the facts above, and heres more:

    Recent Lebanon Israel war:
    Deaths in Labanon - over 1,100 - MAINLY CIVILIANS
    Deaths in Israel - 150 - MAINY SOLDIERS
     
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    #778
    Many of who are considered "Palestinians" today are economic immigrants from Syria, Iraq, Jordan and Egypt from 1922-1931. Arabs immigration into Palestine was attracted due to the British building of the Port of Haifa and Zionist projects to make the desert bloom.

    76% of the Palestinian Mandate of Trans-Jordan was partitioned in 1946 and renamed Jordan (an independent Palestine-Arab state east of the Jordan River.)

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    Btw, Hezbollah instigated the war by attacking Israel and kidnapping Israeli soilders.
     
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    #779
    And just think, all of those accidental deaths could be easily prevented if the Islamists would simply stop purposefully and deliberately making cross-border attacks on Israel. :rolleyes:
     
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    Cross-border attacks?

    Please give Palestinians a border to defend. There is no border yet. That is what Palestinians are asking for.

    Killing innocent people is terrorism. So, israel is a hundred times bigger terrorist than Palestinians can ever be.

    Don't worry, the way zionists have starved Gaza, and created an Open-air prison, an apartheid bantustan out of Palestine, will never be forgotten. zionists will be paid in kind to the injustices and torture those nazis have perpetrated on Palestinians.
     
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