Mate, are you serious? I'm an avid tea party and Ron Paul supporter. I know what I'm talking about, I have no agenda, I'm just educated. You don't know what socialism actually is, nor the definition of fascism, which fits Obama better than leftism. Where is the evidence Obama told the banks not to do something? You're grossly underestimating the power of the banks. Every decent economist I've listened to, along with my own history and political research, concurs that Obama is furthering a fascist or corporatist economy. Like I said, what is socialist about robbing from the rich and giving to the richer? Socialism is the distribution of wealth amongst all. The bail outs were not an attempt to control the banks, far from it. They were simply a pay off or looting of the tax payers. There is no clear divide between the state and the banks anymore, that is why the banks, as you say, haven't paid the money back. Obama's cabinet is full of wall street bankers! Can it get any more obvious? The government and private banking elite have merged, which happens to be a strong definition of corporatism; that which I've had such a hard time getting you to understand. It is sad those of the same kind are having trouble communicating... Look at all my other posts, it's clear I'm a libertarian patriot. By the way it's painful to read you state how educated you are while you make such basic spelling mistakes. Stop being arrogant.
Slick talk with big words doesn't get it. You either understand what I wrote and have some scheme type agenda you want to use to twist my words and attack me with my own words or your just uneducated all wrapped up in yourself. I really think you are an overaggressive individual whos under educated and wrapped up in a command and control syndrome trying to administer some little scheme you cooked up in your head to twist my words around and attack me with my own words. Yep, I'm correct in my assesment of what you're doing. Some people are good at it but you're not. Nobodies good at it with me.
You are stating things that are not true. Plain and simple. I do agee with you on the politics going on in the UK but you have it completely wrong about what's going on here in the U.S. Obama is a socialist plain and simple. Obama and his democratic head cases are trying to turn the U.S. into a socialist state like the UK and Europe. Obama tried to go farther than that when he tried to control the banks and car companies. The banks and car companies just didn't like that and gathered up all the money they could to pay the gov. back. Obama refused to take the money back but Obama was forced to take back the money. President Bush did cut taxes on business. Now Obama wants to take away the tax breaks Bush put into place. I do know what socialism is and communism. What's the game? What are you trying to push? Really! I already have my thoughts on it but I will hold off until I'm sure, mate.
In your last paragraph you stated you are in the UK. You are not a patriot and you are not a U.S. citizen. You are supporting Obama and you have an agenda. I've talked to lots of English and you sure don't sound like you're English. Lots of Arab immigrants in the UK. I do believe you are educated but I also believe you aren't telling the truth and you are supporting Obama.
I'll be sure to constrict my vocabulary and speak like a cretin in future. I find it interesting how you resort to ad hominem instead of critique of my actual argument, and I'm the one with an agenda eh? Aren't debates meant to refine facts for all to revise for the future? I think someone has pointed out fallacies, or rather, slightly more correct revisions of your idea of Obama's economics, which you have obviously held for a long time, causing you to act so very defensively because either: you're used to people around you admiring your theories or you have troubles accepting new ideas. If I were to encounter someone with new theories and ideas that more closely follow logic or come with convincing evidence, I'd be more than willing to accept them. What is wrong with people today? What happened to the evolution of ideas based on empiricism? You have missed the point that the Western world no longer bases itself on outdated 19th and 20th century ideologies such as Socialism. They're outdated and the current political stratosphere has clearly evolved in a much more complicated and innovative sense. I sincerely hope that first post is not directed towards me, for it shows incredible paranoia on your behalf. I listen to Alex Jones every day, I am interested in David Icke's talks and have been to one personally, I am on Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty mailing list and I supported him throughout the presidential campaign, just do as I say and look at all my posts in the politics section! There really is no agenda. Why does everything have to be a conspiracy theory? Saying this, I don't know why I'm even bothering to explain myself to you. I know a great deal of what is going on in America, probably more so than my own country because I listen to and study American politics, news and history on a daily basis. You're incorrect in believing that the UK and Europe is Socialist, things haven't been that way since the forties. What we're under today is the very same system the Anglo-American empire has established in your country: a corporate-welfare friendly merge between big banks, business and government. No, I despise Barry Soetoro. Yes, I am not a US citizen and no, I am a patriot. You're denying I'm English now? Jesus give me strength. I promise you I'm no Arab. I'm as Northern English as you can get sonny boy. You're pushing the same simple minded false-left-right paradigm that the media does in order to keep television watchers in the dark and to bear old knowledge. To you there really only is the 'Left' (Socialism, Communism) and the 'Right' (Conservatism, Republicanism) right? You speak of freeing one's mind, but you've fallen for the very tricks you claim to have transcended. Oh silly me. I was under the impression that we actually needed to support our statements. I'll remember not to for next time I enter debate. I'd be embarrassed to be an American who has such a distorted view of their political system. In fact, the founder of the Tea Party himself, Ron Paul talks about Corporatism and Fascism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J96KjkbNKvY&feature=related You see, unlike your claims, I can support mine. Take a look at this interesting article: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31701 So please, don't be so quick to bash those who actually stand by you in opposition to the 'system'. This has to be the biggest misunderstanding I've ever witnessed. I tell you what though, regardless of the economic model each of us argues, I'm sure we can both agree that Western affairs today are dominated by a plutocracy. Interestingly enough Kevin Phillips, strategist to the Nixon administration supports this claim in this transcript: http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_phillips.html Your posts have now descended into unintelligible paranoia so I see no reason to even reply to you any more. Although I will say get the hell out of my thread, seeing as we're way off topic anyway.
@ People Browse you can edit your post for around half hour and use multi quote. No need to multi post in short intervals.
It seems we have a need to label everything, and for everything to fit nicely and neatly under that label. Here is an article that might dispel some of the myths associated with those labels. http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htm Looking at Obama's presidency, there is much to be disturbed about. Administration staff out of academia,with almost no business experience(Socialist) Nationalization of Banks and portions of the Auto industry(Socialist) One step closer to truly nationalized health care (Socialist) Use of government resources to snuff out any political opposition(Fascist) Attempt to control the media(Fascist) Corporatist foreign policy(Fascist) Radical growth of government and governmental power(Fascist & Socialist) Refusal to regulate the GSEs that got us into this mess(???) Obama is a black guy raised in a mostly white environment(private schools) by white people. He later attended a black liberation theology church to get in touch with his black angst. Trying to put a label on him, or figure out "Who is Barry" is not exactly an easy task, and personally, I don't really care. One doesn't have to look to carefully at the last two years to realize his agenda is not one of self determination and entreprenuership. It doesn't look out for a small businessman's best interests or social mobility. When BoBo gets done, there will be two groups of people left in this country. The poor/working class, and the mega wealthy. It is always this way with these types of regimes.
Interesting read Obamanation. While I'm aware of the insidious nature of Italian fascism, my posts were meant to address closer attention to the newer ideologies that Mussolini's theories help found; that of crony-capitalism, corporatism, state-capitalism and the like. As you rightly say though, these are labels and, regardless, The People end up on the receiving end of their devastating socio-economic experimentation. "The same iron fist, just a different glove" springs to mind. Like I said previously, Obama and each president since Kennedy, in my opinion, have been mere puppets for those we find much more difficult to identify and understand than the politicians and public servants in the public eye. Your quote which suggests how closely these authoritarian ideologies are linked only reassures theories in my mind regarding their purpose, origins and true creators. I read an interesting article on the Modern History Project recently which claims Lenin received enabling funding from various well known families across both sides of the Atlantic.