Although I am for abortion, the arguments for it are often weak.

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by use_your_equity, Jul 25, 2005.

  1. #1
    I am using this biggest example for prolife and pro choice:

    The argument for prolife states:

    Premise 1: It is morally wrong to kill a human.
    Premise 2: A developing zygote is a human
    Propostion Conclusion: Therefore, it is morally wrong to kill a zygote.

    This is not a very valid argument for prolife, but the only way to refute it is the following below, and when you do refute it, you carry on very heavy consequences.

    The argument against prolife:

    In the argument above, there is a category mistake in human.
    In the first sentence, human means a member of the moral community. If you are a member of the moral community you have rights. If you are not a member of the moral community, you do not have rights.

    In the second sentence, human means a genetic being. Thus, the arugment is falacious and thus, it is null.

    But when a prochoice person brings up that a zygote is not a member of the moral community, you have a problem. The premise of the prochoice argument is that if an object is not a member of the moral community, you can commit no moral crime against it.

    This leaves the door open to saying that anything that is not human, can be destroyed, broken, whatever because its not a member of the moral community. This goes for things such as personal property, etc...

    So, if a prochoice person brings forth this argument, start their car on fire and remind them that its not a part of the moral community. :D
     
    use_your_equity, Jul 25, 2005 IP
  2. Old Welsh Guy

    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    Not sure what this post is about, it is too freaky even for me :)

    It is all well and good people insisting that other people keep a child they do not want. Why do people feel they have the right to interfere in the lives of others? I think that abortions should be allowed, but only up until 12 or 14 weeks. I have friends who are nurses, and they have told me how bad it was working in the Special care baby unit, and maternity unit where they had a baby struggling for life in a high dependency unit while another aborted baby was carried out to the sluice to die CRYING. Do people realise that I wonder? A 26 week old baby is alive enough to make murmering noises and actually move around on its own as it dies alone on a stainless steel tray.

    So there is my POV. Abortion is ok in many circumstances, and as there is a 1:9000 chance of the mother dying in childbirth, I do not think ANYONE has the right to force another human being to carry a child full term. I DO think however that a baby should be aborted before it has ANY chance of living if it is born.
     
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  3. Padawan

    Padawan Peon

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    My wife and I recently suffered the pain of her misscarrying twins due to twin to twin transfusion syndrome. I can say with some authority that at 18 weeks the babies were quite recognisable for what they were and indeed at that young age one of them fought like hell to cling on to life. All we have left is a few pictures which I won't post here but they sure looked like small human beings to me.

    Each person has the right to make up their own minds about abortion, after this event I certainly sit on the anti- side of the fence and believe 26 weeks is too late a cut off time. Just my 2 cents.
     
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  4. I. Brian

    I. Brian Business consultant

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    Probably best end note for this thread. Abortion discussion topics rarely offer anything constructive for the communiy experience, and often prove very divisive to it.
     
    I. Brian, Jul 25, 2005 IP
  5. Blogmaster

    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    Very sorry to hear what happened, Padawan :(
    My first child was still born. That is something I normally don't talk about because it's such a painful thing to even think about. I am against abortion as well.

    Sorry, I, Brian ... I agree with what you're saying, but started typing this in a different window while you were responding, so I thought I finish this :)

    One more thing: a lot of women who have abortions, do regret it later and have a hard time forgiving themselves lateron.

    Peace!
     
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  6. voltaire

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    actually me too. for me, it is form of killing. i'm afraid that if it is instilled in young minds that abortion is ok, they will keep on doing the same "mistakes" of unwanted pregnancy thinking that there abortion can always be an option. and we don't want that to happen..
     
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  7. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    Let me first say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion..

    I for one am for abortion, for many reasons, including my own experience...

    First of all, I believe one of the world's greatest problems is overpopulation, and obviously, if abortions are taking places, that is going to help reduce the rate we continue to mass reproduce.

    2ndly, if you stop a person that wants it, from having an abortion legally, they will most likely do it the illegal and more dangerous way themselves.

    3rd, do you really want somebody, who doesn't want their own child, to be a legal gaurdian of that child? This is only going to highten the risk of abuse, and mistreatment of children.


    And lastly ... when I was 17 (still living at home, going to college full time, working part time) a girl I had sexual relations with (but didn't even really know) told me she had become pregnant... I can say without a doubt that was the scariest moment of my life. Having a girl you don't really know tell you she's pregnant with your baby isn't something you want to hear. Not only did I not really know her, she was already a struggling mother with a 2 year old child.

    Do I know if this woman is going to be a good mother? Can I actually take care of a child at this point in my life? I didn't think so, and I told her it was her choice and I would go either way. She decided it was best to have the abortion, and she did.

    Afterwards, did I have feelings of regret? Yes. I fell into a bad depression for a good 6 months. 4 years later how do I feel about it? I'm not "glad" this all took place, but do I regret her decision? Do I wish I had a 4 year old son? No.

    You can judge all you want, but until you've walked in another persons shoes, your judgements are ignorant.
     
    yo-yo, Jul 25, 2005 IP