allow repoting scam by users in forums ?

Discussion in 'Support & Feedback' started by constantine, Feb 18, 2008.

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  1. #1
    Hello ,

    a DP members defraud me . Can I warn to members in public DP forums for prevent scam from him ? which forum ?
     
    constantine, Feb 18, 2008 IP
  2. CountryBoy

    CountryBoy Prominent Member

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    Well, if you read Smyrl's sticky at the top of Payment Processing it says:

    However, despite that written suggestion to the contrary, you might still get into trouble for doing so depending on which moderator deals with you.

    My advice would be not to do so unless you're prepared to receive infractions for flaming the scammer in question. Scammers have rights too (apparently).
     
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  3. constantine

    constantine Active Member

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    I opened a topic in general chat but my topic removed I have received an infraction

    Reason: Inappropriate Post/Thread
     
    constantine, Feb 18, 2008 IP
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    CountryBoy Prominent Member

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    Yes, it doesn't surprise me.
    Given the comments in the sticky I mentioned earlier there is room for confusion here.
    I suggest that sticky be amended to make it quite clear that if a scammer thread is made infractions may follow.
     
    CountryBoy, Feb 18, 2008 IP
  5. mikey1090

    mikey1090 Moderator Staff

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    #5
    Follow the guys profile, anyone he tries to deal with you can PM them and warn them. Otherwise its scammer 1 - 0 you.
     
    mikey1090, Feb 19, 2008 IP
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    The main issue for doing any dealing especially on the Internet is to take utmost care to ensure you are not defraud, with bigger amounts of money, use an escrow, with small amount of money where an escrow is not suitable you can use credit card where a charge back is possible. For Paypal, you can file a dispute if you are not dealing with services. The onus is on the buyers and sellers to protect themselves.

    From the forum perspective, what is normally suggested is to leave a -ve Itrader for that scammer.
     
    wisdomtool, Feb 19, 2008 IP
  7. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    Name and Shame threads do belong in General Chat. You need to be very unemotional and state the facts. These threads allow other users to do their due diligence and find your comments. Stalking the user through every thread they post in will be considered harrasment.
     
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    CountryBoy Prominent Member

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    So if someone makes an unemotional, purely fact-based name and shame thread they should not receive an infraction?
     
    CountryBoy, Feb 19, 2008 IP
  9. mikey1090

    mikey1090 Moderator Staff

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    This si what I wondered. I think the "user x is a total w****r cos he scammed me" etc posts are subject to infractions. Those that are professional survive, I think.
     
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  10. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    In my opinion. PM me if you think you have examples where it hasn't worked out that way. Don't think I'm going to go hassling the other mods over every instance though...
     
    sarahk, Feb 19, 2008 IP
  11. GuyFromChicago

    GuyFromChicago Permanent Peon

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    #11
    "unemotional, purely fact-based" will be determined by the mod viewing the thread so it's open to interpretation.
     
    GuyFromChicago, Feb 20, 2008 IP
  12. MOG

    MOG Well-Known Member

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    #12
    Every post that may be worth an infraction for some reason or another would be open to interpretation to some degree by the MOD reading it, for instance if that particular MOD held the same belief as a post, it may sway their likelyhood of infracting for it.

    Its not a criticism its just an observation of human nature Im afraid.

    I dont want to by hypocritical about the issue here either, as I have both criticised others for publishing personal information in one thread, then reported details of an attempted scam on me on another thread.

    My Guide to Posting details of a scammer:

    WRONG:
    emotional posts ie. "userX is an A-Hole and should burn in H"
    invasion of privacy, ie. "userX's real name is Joe Bloggs, he lives at 123 anywhere street, his phone number is 9876 and his social security number is 5678"
    Exaggeration of details, ie. "userX has scammed a THOUSAND people on the forums and he cant be trusted, he is some kind of devious child eating monster that holds people prisoner in his virtual dungeon" : Just 'cause your a bit miffed at someone doesnt give you creative license to slander them!

    RIGHT:
    informational posts ie. "userX purchased a domain from me on 1.1.2010, he purchased said domain by paypal at 21.00 and put a dispute on the transaction at 21.15 immediately after he received the domains. Despite attempts to contact him by email he has not responded, either by email, PM or by paypal message. The purpose of this thread is to warn other users about potential issues with this user."


    Just my tuppence, Im not a MOD so I cant really say anything for the forum, but the guidelines above would be my personal guide to how to post information in the general section without incurring the wrath of the dreaded infraction!

    MOG
     
    MOG, Feb 20, 2008 IP
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    Karen May Jones Prominent Member

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    #13
    We should use a name and shame template of some sort.
     
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  14. constantine

    constantine Active Member

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    Thank you .

    I forgot it and I don't want to think my deal in this forum .

    Unfortunately this forum to be exchanged a safe place for defrauding !!! I didn't find any public forums for report and prevent defrauders to active in this forum . I decided to open a dispute in chat forums for get my right but moderators removed my topic and I received a 1 negative point !!!

    I wouldn't buy in this forum for next time and Not recommend to others .:(
     
    constantine, Feb 21, 2008 IP
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    I can't understand your onglish.
     
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    constantine Active Member

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    which sentences is ambiguous ( or wrong ) ?

    I mean that this forum is a safe place for defrauder ! because they can active in this forum and searching for new victims !
     
    constantine, Feb 21, 2008 IP
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    devilkitty Peon

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    I think this would be the best way to go about it.

    The template could be as simple as

    Forum Name: I am a hippie

    Date Of Offence: 01-01-09

    Offence: Didn't Provide service

    Details: Paid for service at 00:00 Was promised it would be completed within 24 hours. 2 weeks later still no word from the user. All PM's and email have gone unanswered.


    Just an idea. That way it seems to stay unemotional and gets the facts out there. With the template system. Users would know they wouldnt get an infraction. UNless of course they got all emotional in the thread and invaded the privacy (as mentioned above by MOG)



    Just my 2 cents

    Regards
    DK
     
    devilkitty, Feb 21, 2008 IP
  18. jhn2001

    jhn2001 Well-Known Member

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    Why dont open a scammer thread then ? all the dewtails of the scammer should be posted on that thread .
     
    jhn2001, Feb 22, 2008 IP
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    #19
    I agree with scammers being named and shamed in a professional manner but i can't say for sure if it would get an infraction or not.

    However I disagree with posting their personal details like MOGs example, I've also seen this before, full adress, telephone number and more besides that, I think this is wrong, yes the scammers are idiots and should be locked up but posting their personal information is wrong, by all means name and shame them but do so in a professional manner, I beleive an e-mail/msn adress is acceptable as this would help other members avoid doing business with a scammer, say for instance they are using a different account but same email adress.
     
    Electric-Shadow, Feb 25, 2008 IP
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    I see it as the best way to warn people against scammers, not everyone looks in general chat. Having a sticky thread at the top of the sales forums with everyones name who has scammed. Require mod approval to post in the thread. This will eliminate false accusations etc.

    IMHO
     
    dave9713, Feb 25, 2008 IP
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