all around seo question (addressed to all seo's)

Discussion in 'SEO' started by linksharp, Jun 20, 2005.

  1. #1
    ok everyone i have done web design for 7 years i never really cared about the engines. ive been learning seo.
    my problem is all the sites that I have done the seo too.
    the last tree none really ranks for any keywords that i go for.
    Ive been reading alot of seo stuff.
    Im doing some new things that i have learned.
    but one thing that has happen in the past is that ill rank for my sitename keyword and for the sites i link to domain name keyword.

    but lets say i tarket a keywod like digitalpoint for some reason .
    I have never ranked.

    And another thing I need to ask Ive seen tools.
    that let you see what you rank for on a keyword if your new i dont want to search through 25 pages to find a site.
    most tools that i find look on the first 5 pages or something.
    Is there something out there that wont stop till it finds your sites rank for the keyword.
    I need something like that since i never rank well but I hop this new stuff im going to be doing.
    I hope it will work im not going to submit till its all optimized the great way that i have read about most of my site is good.
    I have also checked it with web ceo it says my site is good.
    So i hope it works.
     
    linksharp, Jun 20, 2005 IP
  2. T0PS3O

    T0PS3O Feel Good PLC

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    #2
    Sounds like you need more links. Without links on-page SEO is almost useless.
     
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  3. linksharp

    linksharp Peon

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    #3
    Lets say I dont have links.
    How does a Pr 2 site with no links just asking how would I get links how.

    Just asking I tought more would post to this.
     
    linksharp, Jun 20, 2005 IP
  4. Epica

    Epica Well-Known Member

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    #4
    Asking "Why doesn't my site rank well?" with-out giving us the URL to a site or a step by step list of the optimization techniques you have used makes it difficult to answer.

    I recommend posting the URL to one of your sites, then we can make some suggestions or identify some issues that might help you rank higher.

    2 quick basics:

    - You should have content about "XYZ" on a page if you want it to rank for "XYZ"

    - You need lots of links (preferably coming from sites with "XYZ" content, going to your pages with "XYZ" content, using "XYZ" or some derivitive in the anchor text)

    Interested in building links? I hear that although the primary purpose is advertising that the advertising co-op here at Digital Point adds backlinks to a site as a side benefit - http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/ad-network

    As far as on page SEO goes I have a Basic SEO Guide on my site that cover the basics (but it sorta sounds like you may be doing most of that...hard to be sure though)
     
    Epica, Jun 20, 2005 IP
  5. Design Agent

    Design Agent Peon

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  6. nevetS

    nevetS Evolving Dragon

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    #6
    On page SEO can be very effective in "not very competitive" markets. It all depends on how saturated the existing rankings are.

    Inbound links is very important, especially in highly competitive areas. The idea is that the more sites that link to a particular website, the more popular it is, and therefore the higher it should be ranked. It's more complicated than that, but that's the idea.

    Also, with on page SEO, frequency of your sites crawl can effect how useful it is. If you update a page, but the spiders don't come by, nobody knows about all the hard work you did. The secret to getting crawled more frequently? Inbound links. (at least that's one way).

    SEO techniques change with amazing frequency, but some old standards will always be around:
    1) content with good keyword structure
    2) inbound links
    3) content with good keyword structure
    4) inbound links
    ...
    see where I'm going with this?

    But really the important thing to do is keep updated with the SEO forums, newsletters, whatever. A technique that works well today, may not work at all tomorrow, or could even end up hurting you.

    The key to success is to:
    1) use good SEO, but don't make your site unreadable
    2) take advantage of the rankings when you have them.
    -- sometimes you get a good boost for just a couple of days, whether it's because your site is new, because it had information on a hot topic, whatever... Impress your visitors when they come around.
    3) Work at inbound linking (i.e. directory submissions, forum posts with a link, etc.) but more importantly give your visitors a reason to link to you.
    4) update your site regularly with new information
    5) track your rankings so you know when a little change paid off.
    6) relax about things. It takes at least months and usually years to get a top ranking in a competitive market.
     
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  7. linksharp

    linksharp Peon

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    #7
    sorry im use to posting at webmasterworld.
    and not being able to post a url.
    well this new site i have put what i have learned into it.
    its not done meaning all the pages ant done so i havent submitted it. the main page is but other then that its not.

    the site is www.linksharp.com.

    its hard for me to find some link exchanges to link to me.

    I havent tryed but i would think it wold be hard.
     
    linksharp, Jun 20, 2005 IP
  8. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #8
    Getting a good SE ranking isn't the only thing to worry about -- you also have to attract a client/customer who actually hits your website. I'm going to be blunt because it won't help you if I sugar-coat this: You need a spell-checker, a grammar checker, and some work on your copy. The page looks spammy and illiterate and it just isn't presenting a professional impression to the visitor at all. You have incorrect capitalization and punctuation. The bolding and colors looks like a spammer's dream. You need to standardize your fonts -- especially the ones in the right column.

    You even have spelling errors in your navigation links: e.g., http://www.linksharp.com/contant instead of http://www.linksharp.com/contact so the visitor trying to get in touch with you is greeted with an error 404 --

    You also need a custom 404 page before the site is finished...

    The point is (1) people won't be very enthusiastic about linking to a site that doesn't look professional, and (2) even if you do get the links and the SE rankings, visitors won't be impressed when they land on that page.

    Take the time to make it look good, look professional first. THEN start your link-building campaign.
     
    minstrel, Jun 20, 2005 IP
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  9. Arnica

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    Should be higher up the list. A lot of web designers waste a lot of time chasing every new theory, tweaking pages one day to change them back the next and generally getting very stressed about the 'ups and downs' of Google SERPs. Do the sensible things already suggested in this thread (particularly the development of well structured content) and don't worry if it doesn't immediately put you at number one.
     
    Arnica, Jun 21, 2005 IP
  10. linksharp

    linksharp Peon

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    ecause i can never get the google api they never send me a email. i tryed it a yea ago then 6 months ago and then the day befor yesterday. no luck.
     
    linksharp, Jun 21, 2005 IP
  11. T0PS3O

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    You don't require the API. It's only for validating when you want instead of when Shawn wants.

    Getting a key is confusing but if you read the process carefully you'll work it out.
     
    T0PS3O, Jun 21, 2005 IP
  12. linksharp

    linksharp Peon

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    the keyword tool says i need the key.
    and i cant get the key so what do i do everyone says they get theres auto.
     
    linksharp, Jun 21, 2005 IP
  13. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #13
    linksharp:

    1. first go here: http://www.google.com/apis/
    2. Create a Google Account - To access the Google Web APIs service, you must create a Google Account and obtain a license key. Your Google Account and license key entitle you to 1,000 automated queries per day.
    3. "Google Web APIs is a free beta service, so support is somewhat limited. However, there are three ways for you to find additional information or get help with problems you encounter:
      • Discussing problems on the google.public.web-apis Google Group. Google employees monitor the group and occasionally will participate and post responses.
      • Emailing . While we can't promise we'll be able to respond to every question that comes in, Google staff read all the email we receive.
      • Reading the FAQs.
     
    minstrel, Jun 21, 2005 IP
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  14. linksharp

    linksharp Peon

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    I know thats what i keep saying i keep signing up for this just never is sent a key that i need for the tool i dont even get a email. for some reason.
     
    linksharp, Jun 21, 2005 IP
  15. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #15
    Read my post mpre carefully - it directs you to a Google API newsgroup where you can ask the question and it provides you with an email address where you can request help.

    If everyone else can get one by simply following instructions, it should be evident that you're doing something wrong - maybe you've got email from Google blocked by a spam filter or something or maybe you're doing something else wrong. I have no idea. My post was to tell you how to go about finding out what you're doing wrong.

    Maybe there's a reason Google won't give you an API -- have you had one before that you abused in some way? Again, ask at the source -- see my post above.
     
    minstrel, Jun 21, 2005 IP
  16. linksharp

    linksharp Peon

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    after trying about 4 emails i got the keys thanks guys
     
    linksharp, Jun 22, 2005 IP