Airline pilots don't believe in official 9/11 version

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Has anyone even bothered to watch the video of their findings or research their findings yet? Nobody is addressing any of the important points at all.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8672066571196607580&q=pilots+for+911+truth+pandora's

 

Like failing to focus on important details like "where is the plane, where are the people?"

You're getting totally owned in this thread. The best part of it is, you're getting owned by people using common sense!

 

Like you have been "owned" your entire life?

Do you have anything to add to this other than an attempt to derail? How about addressing the fact that the governments own evidence is falsified. Or maybe you can prove something to the contrary.....Oh yeah that is right you are unable to..

 

You are unable to prove ANYTHING so keep your talking to a minimum.

 

Maybe you should explain that....

The FDR data recording provided by the NTSB used as evidence by the FBI is either:
1. Falsified
2. Proof that F77 was too high to hit the Pentagon.

Easy enough to dispute.

Attacking me is not going to work anymore here fellas. If that is the best you have, you need to just quit.

You guys are really pathetic.

Come on lets provide a counterclaim here.

Start with:

The findings of the PF911T are false because......

Ready? GO!

 

Exactly. Things have blew up before, including planes. If a 100 ton object blows up, you can find roughly 100 tons of debris. Apparently SOME debris was found there, but the engines didn't make holes in the wall. You know how the cops in the south are notorious for planting drugs in cars so that they can arrest you?

I think it would make all sense in the world to assume that anyone who claims that the plane evaporized is likely to have been educated at a public school or similar government-run institution. That's the best place to learn that if the location of plane is unknown, it must've hit the Pentagon. The important thing is to stay rational and think logically, forget all you were told about trusting the authorities, government "experts", and corporate media. You'll do much better in life

 

Someone did not read the link I nicely provided. I'm not surprised.

Given that we are examining the flight recorder from the plane that hit the pentagon makes this point pretty silly doesn't it? Have you nothing to say about eyewitnesses, debris, pictures, etc all confirming that the plane did indeed hit it?

The plane did, in fact, hit the pentagon. If you have proof otherwise, please provide evidence of the plane and/or its passengers. An airport or runway where it landed. Something to confirm that the plane did not hit it.

Let's take it a step further, shall we?

You, the pilots for truth, have just uncovered the biggest hole in the 9/11 conspiracy to date, and you do not try to resolve -where- the plane went and what happened to the innocent passengers? Shockingly uncurious. At least the other truther sites attempt to answer these questions.

This is like me saying; an iceberg did not hit the titanic and it did not sink.

You would logically reply - So where's the titanic?

Me - I can't speak to that. I just know an iceberg didn't hit it.

You - Okay.....where is it?

Me - Irrelevant. An iceberg didn't hit it.

You - there are pictures, eyewitness accounts and debris

Me - the clocks were set wrong on the titanic. An iceberg did not hit it.

You - there are pictures, eyewitness accounts, bodies and debris

Me - I'm not speaking to that, I'm talking about a clock.

You - Bodies? Debris? Pictures? eyewitnesses?

Me - Stop attacking me

 

I could ask the same of you. I have witnesses, pictures, debris and evidence showing the plane did in fact hit the pentagon. You have, well, nothing really. Especially given that the plane did hit it.

Produce the plane and we'll talk about your line of thought, k?

 

You just cant get past the fact of the big picture. How about you try and explain why this evidence was falsified by the people doing the investigation?

You need me to produce a plane or you are unwilling to discuss valid contradictory evidence????

That is simply ludicrous.

 

Yeah the "facts" of that big picture get in the way don't they? They usually do.

You assume evidence was falsified, based upon this website; that makes accusations and then forms conclusions based upon those allegations. If you'd read the site then look at the non-conspiracy sites, you can see many contradictions on the front page alone. Don't waste our time here.

But, let's get back to the "people doing the investigation". Your claim would be that all the flight controllers, all the FBI, police, fire fighters, cops, eyewitnesses, reporters, etc are all conspiring? How many thousands of people are in on this conspiracy?

Let's continue to ignore bodies at the pentagon, flight 77 recorders at the pentagon, 757 parts at the pentagon, eyewitnesses, phone calls from the plane saying it was hijacked, etc. Ignore all that. The "big picture" just has too many inconvenient facts.

Why are you continuing this indefensible charade?

You claim it did not hit the pentagon. If it didn't hit, produce pictures of the plane. I have evidence that the plane -did- hit. If you cannot produce evidence to the contrary, that is really your problem, now, isnt it?

A single passenger on the plane, still alive. The plane landing elsewhere. Surely you can prove existence of the plane, in flight, 10 minutes after it "supposedly" hit the pentagon, cant you?

 

Wrong this assumption is for you in your claims that F77 hit the Pentagon. If this were true than the FDR information would of HAD to be falsified. If not it is proof positive that the data is from a plane that flew over the Pentagon on flight path that does not compute with the official flight path.

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/index.php?showtopic=3895&st=0&#entry7402334

Keep justifying your position all you want. We have a witness, we have a dead body, but the evidence used by the investigators was falsified......we don't care about no stinking falsified evidence, we want to go with our first assumption and that is you are guilty. Anyways the alternative is kinda scary.

 

your green made it impossable to read so i made it red, i replied in blue.

 

Yet you claim that it did. However there is now hard evidence that at least some of the facts are being hidden and you are being lied to.

You chose to ignore this data. You make a claim that if I cannot provide subsequent evidence this makes what I have put forth not relevant.

If I where here showing proof of anything you would try and turn the argument around if you couldn't debate what I had put forth. Which is exactly what you are doing here.

 

hundreds of witnesses

several dead bodies. of flight crew, passengers - still in their seats. personal effects of people on the plane.

Produce the plane. Produce a passenger. Produce something that tells me otherwise. I'm open here. If you can produce either of those, I'll happily believe you. I'm not asking for much. Planes have to land somewhere, right? Passengers have to exit the plane somewhere right? Produce evidence.

If you got, it show it. If you don't, accept how sad your argument is.

Again, produce the plane. Produce evidence of the plane in flight 10 minutes after it supposedly hit. Something. You claim it did not hit. Therefore there is record of it after the impact time. Produce it. It's not difficult.

 

I love watching common sense in action! It always prevails

 

You really are as dumb as a door handle.

You claimed that the plane could of stalled and still fly......I disputed with governments claim of the engines reving up.

We are not talking of a plane that is in its "powder" form.

You made a claim that you can melt aluminum with a lighter???

You all have anything better than this dimwit? Nothing like someone with wild ass guesses over and over again.

 

Are you following along now, mine was a hypothetical situation of a murder scene. similar to your Titanic scenario.

Produce any evidence that contradicts the fact that the FDR data produced by the NTSB used by the FBI as evidence is contrary to their own scenario of events.

This makes it
1. Falsified
2. Proof that the data recorder was from a flight that flew over the Pentagon.

 

Um okay. Follow me now. How did the bodies of passengers (known to be on the plane), the flight crew (known to be on the plane) and parts (known to be part of the plane) all appear at the pentagon if the plane did not hit the pentagon? How did people; who called from the plane saying it was hijacked;- found dead at the scene almost immediately after impact, get there if they were not in the plane that hit the pentagon?

Is this another inconvenient fact?

You are making the assertion that the plane did not hit the pentagon. Burden of proof is on you here. I already have all the evidence I need to show the flight hit. Produce the plane or a single living passenger, that is what you need to prove your case. If you cannot produce it, your case is empty.

 

I love watching you jump on someones hump because you cannot do a Google search and produce relevant links.

Stand on the side cheerleader boy.

Follow me here...

This is something we can discuss after we discover why the FDR data produced by the NTSB used by the FBI as evidence in their own scenario is actually evidence to the contrary or falsified data.

Then we can discuss the other evidence which I have no first hand knowledge of.

Look at this over four pages and not one person (other than Samie, have to give her credit) has even attempted to dispute the FDR data.

 

You have no firsthand knowledge of any of the data. You are simply parroting what you've found on a website that fits your ideological bent.

So you arent actually interested in reality, is that your point here? You have no curiosity as to what happened to the plane - if it did not hit the pentagon. This is completely outside of your interest? I'd think "where is it" is a very logical question here. But if you don't care enough to ask, I can't help you.

I know and no one has produced evidence of the plane landing, people getting off, the plane in flight after the supposed impact. I've asked at least 10 times now.