Airline pilots don't believe in official 9/11 version

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Commercial pilot for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years, flying 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777 ’s.

Wittenberg had previously flown the actual two United Airlines airplanes that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC).

Capt. Wittenberg is a member of Pilots for 9/11 Truth http://pilotsfor911truth.org
Statement:
"The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn."…

"For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible - there is not one chance in a thousand," said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727's to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737's through 767's it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying."

Regarding Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon:

"The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high-G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous... It’s roughly a 100-ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons all assembled is still going to have 100-tons of disassembled trash and parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the Pentagon... The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile."

Comment from a US military officer and Iraq war veteran who’s a member of this group:
“... let me share with you a little bit of inside maneuvers at work; an experience I had with a fellow soldier. I was handing in a Leave form to the Leave & Pass NCO on one of my soldiers. I said to this NCO in a very quiet tone of voice, "911 was an inside job". He said, "you're just figuring that out?"

 

and just were is his evidence?
"We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile."
we think, just doesn't cut it somehow

 

It's a belief, they don't have evidence. It's just that damage that was done to the building was more typical for a cruise missile (fairly small hole where it entered the building and another one where it exited). If it was a 100-ton plane, the damage would be more massive and there would be about 100 tons of debris , plus some burned human remains. The 2 engines are 6 ton each and have a lot of titanium parts that would be found fairly intact. And there were no damage to building where the engines allegedly hit it, just one hole where fuselage hit it. Not very likely that 6 tons of metal would bounce off the building, melt and vaporized. The lamp posts nearby stayed intact.

 

We've already debunked cruise missiles in previous threads. It's nice that people think there should be more debris, more damage, etc. But this is when you look at the pictures (all the pictures, not this one or that one) and actually read what was found inside and outside the pentagon. Cartoon physics, again.

This is not reality:

Nice, if it were true. But it's not. There is damage to the building; there is also damage to an airhandling/electrical unit which was knocked inwards, not outwards if an explosion caused it to be damaged.

It didn't melt and vaporize (this is a new one). Not even sure what orifice this was pulled out of.

A plane with about a 14' fuselage will make a hole about 14' in a building. Amazingly, this is what happened. I'm shocked. Shocked! Engine parts were found inside the pentagon. Plane parts were found in the lawn of the pentagon. Some bodies were recovered as well.

These conspiracy things are just boring, these days. Ya'll aren't even trying any more.

 

Samantha deals in evidence because she is an intellectual like that.....

Does FDR information, that was released by the NTSB--reluctantly only via a FOIA, that shows the aircraft was never low enough to hit the Pentagon count as evidence to you? How about the fact that the NTSB(the premier aircraft crash investigative department and resident expert on FDR's) refuses to answer questions about these discrepancies and points all questions to the FBI??? HMMM...

Rob is a good guy and I have had many conversations and debates with him in the past.

So samie is this what you mean by evidence?

Or do you mean only evidence that fits your own reality paradigm?

 

I understand it brings emotions in you and all, but... If the only hole was the one left by fuselage, how did engine parts get inside? You'd have 2 more holes to the left and right from fuselage. That's 6 tons of metal, they would leave sizable holes

 

For $14.95, you too, can learn the truth

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/store.html

I've previously posted a nice animation to show how the crash probably happened. Here's more reading for you. Will you read, is the question.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml

 

They also put it on youtube and google video.

What do you think, they charge Americans taxes at the PF911T? And they can afford to produce a DVD and send millions out for free?

Nice idiotic point.....

 

American Airlines Flight 77 missed the Pentagon by 100ft, so where is it? been flying around for the last 6 years on a mystery tour?
ya convinced me, i'm sold. it's a bush plot to take over the world.

just because in the chaos of the event something or someone may have recorded an error, doesn't mean it didnt happen. police speed cameras have to have periodic calibration checks, just like planes do.

 

There is your ignorance speaking. We are talking about a flight data recorder, not some emotional monkey that could be confused because of "events that day".

Maybe you should bring your arguments to the NTSB to invalidate their previous aircraft investigations. I am sure that in every one of those the atmosphere at the time was "chaotic" so maybe the FDR got "scared and confused" in those instances as well and mis recorded.

 

well lets see, a pack of 25 blank DVD's costs us what? $10 = 40c each now buy in bulk and they might cost 10c each, add a paper cover like ya get from microsoft and thats what? 1c more
so for 11c DVD they make a $14,78c profit, take away 20c for an envelope and $2 worldwide postage.
anyone else see they are doing it for profit?

so lorien1973 made a valid point and post, which is more than i can say for you.

you highlighted the wrong part

 

Really?

And how much time do you have to make DVD's at cost?

These guys sub-contract the dvd making and distribution, they are pilots and spend the rest of their free time investigating this.

My assumption that you deal in evidence is starting to look like a bad one with all your ad-hominem arguments that you are resorting to.

Nope just waiting for you to prove your ignorance again.

How about you show us all how much out-of-calibration the FDR on that flight could have been?

Hint: They discuss this over at the Pilots site in detail. They know all about it. That is why they are the experts and you are making wild guesses.

 

Do experts always come 6 years after something happens?

I'm confused

 

Where do you think flight 77 is Akula? If it didn't hit the pentagon where did it go? Where did the people go? Were they killed later on? Still alive? On UFO's?

Profit motive is high right now. Trutherism is a big cash business. The low IQ, easily confused audience is there now. Money to be made!

 

You should be because you are also making wild ass assumptions.

Their foia request was finally granted after years of trying. They only received the data late last year.

 

Anybody charging a fee for the truth is a fraudster.

I would rip fools by giving them false truths but the fact is it's just plain sick.

 

Assumptions and mis-direction.

How about you address their findings instead of changing the direction?

 

hint: thats why you are over there, believing any crap sold to you.

the basic question is, if the flight missed by 100ft, then where do your boys say it went? i mean it was tracked huh? and they say it missed, so where is it?
oh yea it was a missile and it zig zagged around to take out 5 lamp posts and knock a whole in a truck side generator and then flew in the building.

 

Then dispute their finding since you know the truth.

I notice you do a lot of talking but rarely back it with anything here.

 

we get enough false truths in this forum.
thing is they dont even try to hide them anymore.