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I don't need to read that again, it's for you to scrape through it now. Prove to me if "women are like your fields. You can enter them anytime of the day and any number of times as you want" is not written in quran

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Check this http://www.scribd.com/doc/37683112/Lughaat-Al-Quran-G-a-Parwez
and this
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=5842876253&topic=14842
and this
http://ru-ru.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=209180852200&topic=12249

 

Well, but is the Islamic culture as good as any other? The fundamentals of Islam are contrary to the western culture.

Muhammad approved violence as far as murduring people for some fanatical beliefs..... compared to Christianity he did quite disturbing things that will make any smart person question his sanity.

 

If you are talking about this verse, then I think you must be off your rocker.

Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe. (Qur'an, 2:223)
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The verse is about relations between the husband and the wife, nothing here says that the husband must treat the wife "like a whore", in the context of a series of questions about women and relations. Is this the best that you can come up with about how a husband should treat his wife according to the Qur'an? What about this verse then?

And of His signs is this: He created for you spouses from yourselves that ye might find rest in them, and He ordained between you love and mercy. Lo! herein indeed are portents for folk who reflect. (Qur'an 30:21)​

Looks like the Qur'an is not saying what you want it to say, eh?

 

Of course it is contrary to the Western culture. Western culture allows rape, Islam forbids rape. Western culture allows for premarital sex and adulterous affairs but Islam teaches that these things are wrong and that one should be faithful to their partner in marriage. Western culture does not teach respect to their elders or uphold family values, but Islam strengthens the family and teaches the Muslim to respect their parents, especially the mother.

So yes, I would say that Islam is indeed contrary to Western "culture", and that is a good thing!

 

Sorry I just find this unbelievable or is this part of what you claim "but Islam strengthens the family and teaches the Muslim to respect their parents, especially the mother."?

Or does it only apply to mothers and not to siblings? specifically sisters?

 

Honour killings and such atrocities are not part of Islam, Islam never teaches that.

 

All hot gas. And, we aren't comparing west to east but debating how to stop islam from spreading its murderous culture. However hoarse you may cry, the fact remains that your murderous mullas are always crying of wars, murders, fatwas, stoning, eye for an eye. And there are 1000s of them all over. Your Zakir Naik, a recent convert, is one of them.

Some times, it's decreeing couples to wear cloth during sex, and later asking muslim women to wear burqas to swim, then we see a fatwa in some innocent persons name. Your great culture has done more damage to this world than the world wars could do. You make bombs at homes and claim it's one of religious diktats. (Now don't ask me for a quranic verse saying this). Your mosques are more like bomb factories than prayer halls.

You have no respect for your own Shias, mohajirs or Ahmediyas. You muslims jump onto support a pakistani / Saudi national just based on religion and regardless of your nationality.

And this is the relationship Allah advocates intentionally leaving gaps. You have no shame, you have no color, no humanity, no rest and all that you have is brazen, unabashed zeal to implement the diktats, come what may.

You have lost all logic and thinking abilities or are afraid to use it.

 

Yeah you're right Islam doesn't teaches some of it followers . Some Islamist just happen to believe in the holy Nike shoe and follow his words . They : Just do It .

 

LOL!

The biggest lie you've told here, after denying your involvement in porn, of course.

Marital rape is allowed in Islam and men who rape their wives in Muslim countries seem to get away with it an awful lot. In the West if you rape someone, wife or not, you go to jail.

 

Nope, it is not a lie at all. You should see the rape statistics for Western nations, its nothing short of atrocious.

A lackey doing another person's job of spreading a lie against my husband.

The phrase "marital rape" is an oxymoron in itself. How can one get "raped" by the husband in a legal marriage? However, there is a provision in Islam for spousal abuse. Your moronically-coined phrase falls under that category.

 

But even if the statistics of rape in the western nations were higher than anywhere or whatnots, rape itself still isn't allowed. So what you said isn't true and as what Alexis said, if you rape someone, wife or not, your ass goes to jail.

 

What I mean is that the circumstances leading to rape is most certainly allowed in Western nations, where women are exploited in many ways. Whether rape is criminalised isn't really the point. Rape is at its highest in Western nations because of these extenuating factors, therefore you are responsible for letting rape happen.

 

Sorry it doesn't "teach", it specifically orders them to be murdered by stoning.

 

Those rape statistics are irrelevant simply because modern nations like : India , UAE , Egypt and other differently abled nations refuse to contribute to global statistics . Sometimes they don't even keep their own statistics .

 

LOL at how ignorant you are. All India, UAE and Egypt are all relatively progressive than the Islamic Countries your comments would apply to, but ofcourse you can say anything, and we can ask you to share your sources anytime.

 

My sources : I've spent hours and hours trying to communicate whit this countries embassies to get some basic statistic documents faxed . Egypt told me nicely to fuck off , UAE told me to get a seal of approval from the Exterior Minister and not reveal this documents in public while India had a human robot chanting : Look on the Internet , Look on the Internet , Look on the Internet .

If you look at the freedom ratings you will see what nice places they are .

 

My Question is still from the Topic starter

Would you like to give the reference to me and other Muslim members that where did Islam allowed the following thing?

Women stoning
no freedom of speach
sex with children
"honor" killings

As a Muslim i need reference from Quran and Hadess. So please give me reference of the above mention things.

 

I'm sorry, WHAT? You cannot honestly be that stupid. We all know that women in Muslim countries are less likely to report rape, but even if we put that to one side for now - how does rape being committed mean that it is allowed? Do you claim if an illegal and immoral act is committed enough times it means a society or culture allows it? That sounds like what you are saying. If so, you are effectively arguing that Islam allows child marriage and honor killings. Think about it.

It's been proven countless times here by Rob. No one is buying your BS.

You are a disgusting excuse for a human being - and if this is in fact Awins and not Menj then you are a traitor to your gender. Marital rape is absolutely NOT an oxymoron; you state it is impossible for a wife to be raped by a husband. When she says no and he forcefully has sex with her despite her protests - you claim this is not rape.

Say my "phrase" is moronic - you're condoning rape if two people are married, claiming it cannot be rape. I can't help but hope that you experience rape at the hands of your spouse; I've never wished that on anyone before but frankly I hate the idea that some day you might breed and your daughter could say to you, "My husband raped me. I begged him not to." and you would turn to her and say, "What a moron you are. This is impossible! A husband cannot rape his wife!"

Fucking disgusting. How you cannot see why this is wrong is just beyond comprehension.

 

You must have missed Menj/Awins post - if something happens too many times in a society it is therefore allowed by that culture, even if there are laws to prevent it. Not that Islam has laws to prevent stoning of women or sex with children.

 

I hope you're not a christian saying this. If you are, I'm gonna slaughter you by showing you how ignorant you sound and point out the many lies, contradictions, deceit and downright evil in christianity.