Hey, I am trying to do things right without any mistakes that can lead to rejection and then i will have to re-appeal again. My site, the left one in my signature is 6 month old. So i was searching for the best category for it to appear, found: http://www.dmoz.org/Business/Opportunities/Online_Opportunities/ http://www.dmoz.org/Business/Small_Business/ not sure that those are good categories to be listed at. now, how do i apply to Google Directory? does Google pulling out the Dmoz websites from Dmoz directory from certain categories only? also, my site has some pages, that are still not finished yet, i.e About page, etc. they should be finished any day soon, how would this effect the submission? all other pages are up i.e tos, privacy police, faq, etc etc. Robert
I won't do a site review, or look at a site because it would be showing favoritism, but looking at the categories you referenced, if you click on "Description" in the right hand corner of each page, you'll see it tells you what type of sites it will accept, and looking at current listings should give you a better idea. Also, it might be beneficial to read this: http://www.dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html Please don't suggest a site that is still under construction, wait until you're done building it, thanks. I don't believe you can apply to the Google Directory, it's really a mirror (copy) of the ODP Directory itself. We have nothing to do with Google, or any control over it, it merely uses our data. I don't edit in that area of the Directory, so, my knowledge is limited.
Your saying that DMOZ has reached point that any editor-webmaster contact can be called favoritism and result in removal??? And someone claims paranoia isn't ruling DMOZ.
Well, call me crazy, but every now and then I hear these wild accusations about editor corruption, so it pays to be extra careful in how one conducts oneself. What another editor might do is their business, I'm only concerned with my own conduct.
Asking for a suggestion on a category to which it'd be best to submit doesn't seem like a big issue to me, but since my primary focus is Regional and History cats the OP is welcome to take my advice with a grain of salt. I'd suggest the first of the two he listed. When you get into affiliate related areas there are weird quirks as far as what they do and don't allow in due to past problems they've dealt with, so I'm not in a position to expound on that part of the equation.
You're probably right, Rob, maybe I'm just being overly cautious when I don't need to be. You've been around longer than I have, so I'd trust your opinion over my own. It's hard to know what'll get used against us in here.
hey thanks for the suggestion rob, but this category is having PR 0.. now i saw that not all categories from ODP are listed in Google directory, so if you pick a category that is listed in ODP and both in google, if you are approved at ODP you will have a link in Google directory as well, in anyway can some one suggest a better category cause this one is having PR0, or that shouldn't effect my decision?
Any and all links should be gotten with traffic and the end user in mind. Getting links for PR is not good for anyone when looked at from the big picture or from the long run of things. A link is a link, and if the best cat you can get into has a 0, then that is your best bet. If the cat is worth anything, then it will grow in time to maybe a 1 or a 2...but asking that your site get put into a cat with a PR6 ot 7 that the site itself does not fit in, is only asking for an even longer wait then normal.
Well, each site can have multiple options and categories he can fit into thus that doesn't necessarily mean the category isn't sutibale. I will try to check some categories out and see if any sites like mine are listed and also where thanks for the help. Robert
I don't understand any of this gobbledegook talk about category PR, editors do not pay any attention at all to PR, it's a non issue for the Directory. If a site qualifies for more than one category in an area, then most likely it needs to be listed in a higher category that covers all of those other categories. Only submit a site once, to the one best category you think it belongs in. If it's wrong, an editor working in that area will move it to the correct one. A site doesn't get rejected because it gets submitted to the wrong category, but if it has to be moved, it might take longer to get reviewed. If an editor has to move a site to another category, he may not have editing permissions there, and it will wait there until an editor who does edit in that category gets a chance to look at it. In my case, I have editing permissions for everything within the US, so if I'm moving misplaced sites at the State level to the localities(cities) they really belong in, then I won't review sites, I'll only move them. Also, a site either belongs in a category or it doesn't, period. Do not submit a site suggestion to the category you'd like to see it listed in for your own reasons. This isn't a collaboration between editors and site suggesters, we place sites where it makes sense for us to place them in our attempts to organize 4 million+ sites, and editors have to look at the Directory as a whole and how all the pieces fit together, and relate to each other, . A lot of what editors do in the Directory has to do with organizing, reorganizing, and creating categories, and not with site suggestion reviews, . Pay no attention at all to the Google Directory, they don't accept submissions that I know of, and their copy of the ODP Directory is only current when they download our data every now and then. It's a past snapshot photo of the ODP Directory that isn't current. If and how they reorganize categories for their own purposes is something we have no say in. Google is one of the downstream users of the data editors collect and organize, which is freely offered to everyone who wants to use it, including search engines and other directories, .
Well, you don't have to understand it. Thats what the google directory is for, lol. No, not really. But many of the people that use and submit to the project do care about PR and as such directory placement. It has been, and will likely forever will be something that'll come up. And in many cases, a site can get listed in one of several categories. I mean, some ARE rather broad still, and some of those can look better to the webmaster as that little green bar is higher than some other cat. Somehow get PR to no show up in DMOZ, and you'll save all types of head aches.
I'm sure all of you here are experts in PR, and I'm totally uninformed about it, which should tell most of you that it's a non issue for the Directory and editors, so shouldn't be a factor to consider when submitting a site suggestion. If they are looking at that, then they are going to submit to an incorrect category for those reasons, which will delay their suggestion being reviewed, so they do themselves a disservice. "When in Rome....."
Like I said, find a way to get that PR to not count, and you've saved yourself a headache. Get around the Page Rank issues, and it will drop submissions down to a fraction of what they are today, as many webmasters can not see past that little green bar.
I think you have a very good point, Q. I think when a non editor mentions accountability, they really mean predictability. Webmasters are used to working with search engines and PR, and that is something that knowledge and perhaps money can manipulate. As that isn't a concern to editors and the Directory, and because the Directory is human edited, instead of automated by machine, the Directory is very unpredictable so there is no way to manipulate it, and the same rules that apply to search engines/PR, do not apply to getting a submitted site suggestion listed. I think many of you object to this unpredictability, and demand accountability and more transparency in order to give you the tools to manipulate, or at least, predict results. That's perfectly understandable and reasonable from that point of view. Unfortunately, it's not a consideration for the Directory because we have entirely different goals than a webmaster/seo has and downstream users, such as search engines, aren't really a consideration because they have a different purpose and provide a service to webmasters that the directory doesn't provide, or even care about. Search engines are a different animal altogether, with a different purpose. They search for, find, and deliver information, we selectively list and organize data, and then offer it freely to whoever wants to use it, but we have no control of it after it leaves our hands. The same rules do not apply to each, it's like mixing oil with water. Each has different functions, goals, needs, and rules.