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AdSense Per Click Payout Based On Natural Rankings

Discussion in 'Reporting & Stats' started by digitalpoint, Nov 9, 2004.

  1. NewComputer

    NewComputer Well-Known Member

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    #41
    Pretty much, and I would not be surprised if that is waht they were doing already. You know, with all the information they store from the toolbar etc... In the end, I have to believe that G will do what makes it, it's publishers and it's advertisers the most money.
     
    NewComputer, Nov 10, 2004 IP
  2. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #42
    Shawn, you are exactly correct in your assertion. I have a wireless customer that is doing $15,000 per month in AdSense revenues.. It's insane.. I talked for hours with him about how he is doing it. He mentioned the Google Tool Bar and the "Ranking" item on it. Generally sites at 7 and above tend to go through the roof in terms of the pay per click. Now to figure out how to do the same :)
     
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  3. Such Great Heights

    Such Great Heights Peon

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    #43
    I don't think PageRank has much to do with it, but since it is a generally small part in ranking well in the SERPs then I see the correlation.

    But don't count on just getting your PageRank up and suddenly your AdSense will pay exponetially more. :)
     
    Such Great Heights, Nov 11, 2004 IP
  4. NewComputer

    NewComputer Well-Known Member

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    #44
    I have to believe that your money would rise as your visitors rise. Why wouldn't it?
     
    NewComputer, Nov 11, 2004 IP
  5. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #45
    Not necessarily. Just cause you have higher traffic, does not mean people are going to click on the Google links..
     
    Mia, Nov 11, 2004 IP
  6. bigslowrock

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    #46
    I basically have two sites. One is unranked and the other has a pr of 5. The PR of 5 pays ALOT more per click, but its natural ranking isn't high at all for the key words of the ads.

    It must be a combination of PR and natural rankings.
     
    bigslowrock, Nov 13, 2004 IP
  7. Such Great Heights

    Such Great Heights Peon

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    #47
    Are both sites targeting the same keywords? It could be just that there is more paying competition on the site with a PR of 5.
     
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  8. bigslowrock

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    #48
    Neither site at this point is really targeting any keywords, but you are correct they don't have the same "keyword" ads.

    --- I did some researching and using the overture tool, it looks like the pr 5 site has bids for its words from $1 to $3 for the top 5 and the other site has .20 to .50$ for the top 5, so disreguard my last post.

    I can add no data/info to this thread.
     
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  9. mudnik

    mudnik Peon

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    #49
    I just thought of a simple reason why google does it that way. The top ranked sites get all the traffic, so by showing the highest paying advertiser's ads there, google earns much more...and in the process depletes their highest paying advertiser's pockets quickly..
    google revenue=clicks * payment per click
     
    mudnik, Nov 14, 2004 IP
  10. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #50
    If that was the case (and Google's goal), why wouldn't they always display the highest paying AdWords across all sites?
     
    digitalpoint, Nov 14, 2004 IP
  11. anthonycea

    anthonycea Banned

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    #51
    Google can and always will do what they want with their algo's to the betterment of the bottom line.

    Who is going to stop them? Have they ever been caught doing anything like this before :confused: Is this a CT?? :confused: :)

    Does Adsense have anything to do with search results or do CTR on Adsense have anything to do with SERP's.

    Yes it does, no it doesn't, yes it does, no it does not, Oh yes it happens, Oh no it doesn't.
     
    anthonycea, Nov 14, 2004 IP
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    nriweb Well-Known Member

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    #52
    I had a page with PR0 (new page) with a special channel assigned to its ads. After a few months the PR has risen to 4 from 0 .. gradually. Yesterday I was checking the cost per click .. actually it has come down over the months .. so apparently a PR0 paid me much more than a PR4 ...

    but again it could be that the value of the keywords also came down...

    ALSO , my page now ranks very high in the google search ... so actually the CPC coming down points to a different direction that what you have experienced !! :confused:
     
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    #53
    Does anyone think that unique IPs on the clicks also make a difference?

    nriweb- how much new traffic do you think that you are getting?
     
    bigslowrock, Nov 14, 2004 IP
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    #54
    What considered a smart pricing on ppc-based model for key words on imigration canada. appriciate your response.
     
    canadaone, Nov 14, 2004 IP
  15. Such Great Heights

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    #55
    I don't know ... a dollar?

    wasn't this thread about the relation to higher rankings in the SERPs to higher AdSense Click Through Rates for those keywords the domain ranks high for?
    :rolleyes:
     
    Such Great Heights, Nov 14, 2004 IP
  16. mudnik

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    #56
    it could, but if it did, then all the lowest paying advertisers would stop advertising (as their ads are not shown) and the highest paying advertisers would soon drop their prices..
     
    mudnik, Nov 15, 2004 IP
  17. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #57
    I don't agree... if a lower bidding advertiser isn't in the results on a normal Google search, it's not going to cause the higher priced advertisers to lower their bid. The AdWords bidding is really about showing results on the Google results. The AdSense stuff is secondary.
     
    digitalpoint, Nov 15, 2004 IP
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    #58
    This post makes my head spin, along with a few others.

    So I have tried to summarize all this in a one-page block diagram -
    http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/adwords-adsense-diagram.htm

    THIS IS NOT A SOLICITATION TO CLICK ANY ADS.
    If you read this, please DO NOT click the ads.
    Thank you.

    I'm just trying to shed a little more light on the subject using a pictorial format. It was drawn by listening to webmasters here and elsewhere. I want to make it a concensus drawing - multiple people say the same thing, and in it goes. A visual summary of opinions, if you will.

    Comments?
     
    Surf_Dude, Nov 30, 2004 IP
  19. darksat

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    #59
    Google should have more openness in the way they work out pricing .
    Im gonna have to run some tests on adwords at some stage.
     
    darksat, Dec 1, 2004 IP
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    #60
    I think results coming from both yahoo and google are paid quite a bit more than any other incoming traffic..
     
    schlottke, Dec 1, 2004 IP