Achievements that goes unnoticed

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  1. latehorn

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    #21
    I'm not sure that he would do it as good as Bush.
     
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    #22
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    'I'm cereal.'--Al Gore (southpark)
     
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    #23
    You have to love those crazy Rednecks :D I'd love to have what you've been taking bud!

    Where did these WMDs vanish to?
    If Bush is such and nice humanitarian guy why isn't he intervening in several African countries where far worse massacres take place - or is it just about the oil?
    Why aren't we attacking Saudi Arabia when 15 of the 19 Sept11th hijackers came from there?
    Aren't the vast majority of the terrorist camps in Iraq under control of the Kurds- our allies?
    Ditto Pakistan
    Maybe if we'd spent the vast sums of money on researching cleaner fuels than spending it on the war we wouldn't be so reliant on oil and the planet would be a cleaner place.
     
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    #24
    MattUK : just to make it clear. hehe Iraq had WMD and that is biological and chemical weapons. We know that because we sold them(Yugoslavia) ;)
     
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  5. MattUK

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    #25
    I know they had chemical weapons, that's been clear for years. Though before the war the whole emphasis was put on the fact that they had nuclear and biological weapons and a capacity to strike at the west. Neither of these has been proved to be true. In fact many from inside the intelligence community in the UK have stated it was untrue and went against the advice they had been giving the British government.
     
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  6. Rick_Michael

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    #26
    Can you tranlate Arabic? If so, please review these military documents and tell me what you get?

    fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm

    Actually Africa has a lot of oil/natural resources, but when it comes down to it, general Americans don't care enough about that place. Look at Rwanda.

    Because we wouldn't want to commit economic suicide. That's like shooting our heart. Iraq's oil production was down, and will actually be doubling in the next couple years.

    We actually could have still produced just as much oil, but our government basically forbid new drilling in many areas (especially offshore). The higher the prices, the more investment will go into R&D, so this is the process we have to go through. Government investment doesn't really compare to private industry intiative. I personally wish we didn't restrict oil drilling and refining like we do....we would have more time to innovate.
     
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    #27
    Exactly - backs up my point is that it's all about the oil.

    Africa
    Saudi
    Nothing! Don't you think if the Allies had any proof - any at all it would have been trundled out in from of us before the ink dried on the translations. I'm still to see ANYTHING that offers any kind of proof that they existed and deployment was possible.
     
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  8. Dan Kenitz

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    #28
    This is the exact type of political discussion that goes on my site.

    I think liberals don't care about Bush in specific terms. They're just headhunting, and he's the chief conservative of the day, so he catches mountains of criticism even though he's underrated as a president.
     
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    #29
    I'm no liberal, it's just obvious that the Iraq war as for oil and nothing else. I guess I'm against liars.
     
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  10. latehorn

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    #30
    You are only speculating. The majority of all speculations is false. Look at the Stockmarket etc :)
     
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    #31
    Didn't the Allies 'speculate' that there were WMD's in Iraq then? Or is there hard and undeniable proof?
     
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  12. Mr Crow

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    #32

    Late Horn , You made a couple points that have value !

    BUT - The price we paid was to high for these things!

    Bush should have been much more accountable for the lives lost and money spent!

    I mean that sending guys in with out proper equipment is NUTS
    And if anything were to place uneeded risk on a soldier like not having the right equiptment - thats crazy

    He got on TV and said they didnt have enough equiptment - its funny parents and friends were able to find body armor and send it to their children.

    In the end , A soldiers life should not have a price set on it .. and yes Bin Lada Bush Knew About It - and still to this date years later is leaving the soldiers over the to fins scraps of metal to weld onto their vehicles

    But Here is the real kick in the pants to the US soldier and their families.

    For the families who have children there and wanted to do the job Bush should have made sure was done, Families went out and bought body armor .... well about three weeks ago our commander(joke) and Cheif (bigger Joke) sat on his hands when the pentagon ordered that for the people who had their families send them body armor they are no longer allowed to use it and if caught will be court martialed.... ONCE AGAIN

    But..... BIN LADA BUSH DID NOT REPLACE THE ONES WITH G.I. Body Armor

    Or How about this one.....

    A couple of months ago a corporal had his arm blown off and the stripped his body armor away , govt S.O.P says anything contaminated with blood must be burnt.

    They Burnt the poor guys body armor , he lost his arm ..but here is the kicker ... they charged the guys for the jacket ... and because he didnt pay for it , he was given a less than honorable discharge.

    Bush was aware of this because media went nuts over this.. but it he did NOTHING!
    It literally took an act of Congress to excuse this kid from having to pay for that flac jacket and receive an Honorable discharge .. Thank GOD for a Senator getting pissed about it and putting it before Congress.

    You can answer this with a bunch of excuses and try to twist it ............

    I say Bush is responsible as The President ... the Buck should stop there ... but it dont ... It has been squanderd by Dick Cheney and all the Executives Branches business buddies in the private world...

    Thats why we call Him
    President George Bin Lada Bush!


     
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  13. latehorn

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    #33
    Bush have done great things for the environment:

    # President Bush proposed the Clear Skies Initiative, an effort to aggressively reduce air pollution from power plants by 70 percent and improve air quality throughout the country .
    # The President proposed requiring the steepest emissions cuts in over a decade for coal-burning power plants . The Clean Air Interstate Rule, modeled after the Clear Skies Initiative, will require power plants to substantially reduce emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide. Sulfur dioxide emissions will be cut by nearly 70 percent and nitrogen oxide emissions will be cut by approximately 50 percent.
    # President Bush proposed the Clean Air Mercury Rule that will regulate mercury emissions from power plants for the first time , imposing a mandatory 70 percent cut by 2018.
    # The Clean Air Nonroad Diesel Rule requires that emission levels from construction, agricultural, and industrial diesel-powered equipment be dramatically cut . This new rule requires that soot and nitrogen oxide emission be reduced by more than 90 percent and the sulfur content of diesel fuel be cut by 99 percent.
    # President Bush is committed to reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 18 percent over the next 10 years .
     
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    #34
    Yes, those 'cuts' are just that - cuts, not reductions in real terms. The USA is still one of the worst countries doing environmental damage and it's corpoations such as Exxon and McDonalds are among the worst in the world.

    Bush hasn't done anything more for the environment than making a few token cuts that fall far behind what other nations are doing.

    Where do you cut and paste this Bush propaganda from anyway?
     
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  15. latehorn

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    #35
    Bush have spent more money on research for alternative fuel than any other president.
     
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    #36
    That's an achievement?!? There's only actually been 3 presidents since research into alternative energey became a priority. One of those being his dad.

    I wouldn't count that as an achievement, rather a necessity.
     
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    #37
    Since you love your Bush facts and stats so much you should try this site,

    http://www.drivingvotes.org/bushfacts.shtml

    Some of my favouries are,

     
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  18. latehorn

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    #38
    Bush have been done what he can to get rid of that problem, read the facts I pointed out in post 35. Beeing #1 isn't that bad considering that US has the biggest industrial output in the world.

    Now lets take a look at the economy(that you think is so bad)

    # Since last summer, the American economy has grown at the fastest rate of any major industrialized nation.
    # America's economy has been growing at rates as fast as any in nearly 20 years.
    # Nearly 1.5 million jobs have been created since August 2003 and 1.3 million new jobs have been created this year alone. The unemployment rate today is below the average unemployment rate of the 1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s.
    # From 2000 to 2003, productivity grew at the fastest three-year rate in more than a half-century, raising the standard of living for all Americans.
    # The Conference Board's index of leading indicators has risen at an average annual rate of 4.2 percent since March 2003 - the fastest 15-month period of increase in 20 years - suggesting vibrant economic growth in the near term.
    # The stock market regained more than $4 trillion in equity since its low in mid-2002. In 2003 the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 25 percent and the NASDAQ rose 50 percent.
    # Manufacturing activity expanded in July 2004 for the 14th consecutive month.
    # Real after-tax incomes are up 11 percent since December 2000.
    # Interest rates reached their lowest levels in decades during the Bush Administration.
    # Homeownership reached an all-time high and mortgage rates reached their lowest level in decades.
    # During the Bush Administration, we have experienced one of the lowest core inflation rates (averaging two percent per year) in the past 40 years.
     
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    #39
    Yes I admit he's really fantastic, there's no way I can compete with your fantastic cutting and pasting.
    You certainly haven't be brainwashed by the pro-Bush (owned by Bush's cronies) media in the US and the rest of the world hates him as they're just jealous of his amazing record on human rights, the environment and the economy.
     
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  20. Mr Crow

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    #40
    I am an american that hates his actions too ...

    My wife is from europe also and we read the news from overthere ... They can't stand Bush!

    I will say this, He and order that increased the allowable Lead and Arsenic in our drinking water to over 3 times the lethal limit.


    Bush is a puppet president bought by favors from his Daddy and now He has no choice but to repay the favors.
     
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