1. Advertising
    y u no do it?

    Advertising (learn more)

    Advertise virtually anything here, with CPM banner ads, CPM email ads and CPC contextual links. You can target relevant areas of the site and show ads based on geographical location of the user if you wish.

    Starts at just $1 per CPM or $0.10 per CPC.

Account Disabled Today

Discussion in 'Guidelines / Compliance' started by jjo, Aug 8, 2005.

  1. e10

    e10 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,250
    Likes Received:
    155
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    185
    #81
    Well, yes Fryman, as I said, many are cheaters but some I am sure are not. I am certainly not defending the cheaters who have some plea to click on their ads, hidden text or some kind of bot clicking away on their ads and I have seen some complaints here where I think, yeah right buddy and click off again.

    And Lorien, maybe this guy is a bum, but maybe he is not. If not, then maybe he is angry as hell and I imagine he could think of worse things to call Google right now.

    And Guyfrom Chicago, I imagine to a great extent the bans are handed out based on a variety of triggers. Perhaps they are right 95% of the time and that is cool. But if the 5% innocent have no-one to plead their case with except an automated robot, isn´t that a bit harsh?
    SEMrush
     
    e10, Aug 10, 2005 IP
    GuyFromChicago likes this.
    SEMrush
  2. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

    Messages:
    9,605
    Likes Received:
    777
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    370
    #82
    Nope... the interest of the majority rules over the others. If google sees something that raises a flag, might as well bann in order to protect the advertisers interests. We are talking about money here, and Google's whole business is based on the trust they get from Adwords advertisers.

    I would never think it could be 5%, I wouldn't even think it is 1%, it must be either a non-existent amount, or one so small it can be considered worthless.
     
    fryman, Aug 10, 2005 IP
  3. GuyFromChicago

    GuyFromChicago Permanent Peon

    Messages:
    6,731
    Likes Received:
    528
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #83
    It might be. I would rather they ban a few legit accounts by accident or in error than to go to easy on people and let the scammers scam on. If Adsense has one weakness it's fraud. A few bad apples could ruin it for everyone.

    Do you know any well known, established webmasters who have a proven track record who have been banned? I don't.
     
    GuyFromChicago, Aug 10, 2005 IP
    jlawrence likes this.
  4. daed

    daed Peon

    Messages:
    93
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #84
    Even if they're ALL wrong, which is also just as likely, a form of explanation would still be nice so if anyone else is violating it in the same way without knowing, the rest of us could check to make sure we're not violating the ToS the same way.

    I'm just gonna cross my fingers at this point.
     
    daed, Aug 10, 2005 IP
    jlawrence likes this.
  5. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

    Messages:
    9,605
    Likes Received:
    777
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    370
    #85
    That's an interesting point, GuyFromChicago. All the cases of banned crybabies I have seen here are from people that joined the forum just to be able to whine about their bann. Seems that they got caught and first thing they do is go to Google and search for some forum about adsense so they can post their case and see if they can get out of the hole they dug
     
    fryman, Aug 10, 2005 IP
  6. GuyFromChicago

    GuyFromChicago Permanent Peon

    Messages:
    6,731
    Likes Received:
    528
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #86
    Play by the rules and don't try and scam the system and you'll be ***fine.***

    ***fine = 99.9999999999999% of the time*****
     
    GuyFromChicago, Aug 10, 2005 IP
    aeiouy likes this.
  7. GuyFromChicago

    GuyFromChicago Permanent Peon

    Messages:
    6,731
    Likes Received:
    528
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #87
    Exactly. I'll start getting concerned when Shawn posts about his account getting banned. Joe blow who had been in Adsense for 3 weeks and got banned doesn't worry me one bit.
     
    GuyFromChicago, Aug 10, 2005 IP
  8. jlawrence

    jlawrence Peon

    Messages:
    1,368
    Likes Received:
    81
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #88
    I have no doubt that at least 95% of the time G are correct. What does intrigue me is that every single person I've heard of that has gotten banned has had the same email.
    Now I know (and have said many times) that 'illegal clicks' covers every single instance of TOS non compliance. But, for a company like Google, I consider it pretty shitty business practise not to give follow up reasons when requested.
    The majority of people banned know exactly why they were banned, but for those that don't surely it's no great hardship to tell them the actual reason.

    BTW Lorien, iirc G has already said that putting images above the ads isn't in breach of TOS. Personally I don't do it, because it would look stupid on my pages - but not any more stupid than a nice big rectangle with only one ad in it.

    I can only imagine the words that I would use to descibe G if they banned me. As far as I'm aware, all my sites are 100% above board and anything I have queries on I've email G about and gotten reasonable answers pdq, but I'll feel one heck of a lot happier when I see that first payment actually come through. I've worked like heck over the last couple of months to see my adsense earnings approaching $25 per day and I'm sure that should I see a 'illegal clicks' email then the air in my house will turn blue.
     
    jlawrence, Aug 10, 2005 IP
    e10 likes this.
  9. jlawrence

    jlawrence Peon

    Messages:
    1,368
    Likes Received:
    81
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #89
    Can't say I've ever looked that closely, but you're right. I can't think of anyone (respected on these boards) saying that they've been banned.
     
    jlawrence, Aug 10, 2005 IP
  10. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

    Messages:
    9,605
    Likes Received:
    777
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    370
    #90
    jlawrence, there are specific TOS and guidelines for Adsense users, if you get banned you just need to read them again to find out why.

    Why would google have to give any explanation at all to some crook or TOS violator? Kick them in the butt and tell them to get a hike.
     
    fryman, Aug 10, 2005 IP
  11. TheBrokenOne

    TheBrokenOne Peon

    Messages:
    146
    Likes Received:
    13
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #91
    Well i dunno whats the story with these bannings, would be ragin if it happened to me. Would be a shame if it was just google being bitchy as i feel microsoft & co wud probably pound them into the ground with so many disgruntled users. Search engines rely on popularity, banning ppl for no reason (if thats true) is not going to help their cause. Microsoft would be a lot more laid back about these things methinks...


    Actually i see casino ads on your jeep site there, google don't allow promotion of gambling (would i be right in that?), perhaps thats why u were banned.
     
    TheBrokenOne, Aug 10, 2005 IP
  12. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

    Messages:
    9,605
    Likes Received:
    777
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    370
    #92
    WTF are you talking about? What does Microsoft even have to do with our discussion???
     
    fryman, Aug 10, 2005 IP
  13. jlawrence

    jlawrence Peon

    Messages:
    1,368
    Likes Received:
    81
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #93
    I can certainly imagine that there are people out there that have had their accounts closed and have actually no idea what they did wrong - if indeed they themselves actually did anything wrong. I'm not saying give explanations to the crooks and fraudsters, but there are people out there that actually won't have a clue what they did.
    Kick them in the butt and tell them to get a hike. --- That sounds remarkably like what paypal used to do with various people's accounts. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.
     
    jlawrence, Aug 10, 2005 IP
  14. jlawrence

    jlawrence Peon

    Messages:
    1,368
    Likes Received:
    81
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #94
    Microsoft have more disgruntled users than any other company I've ever heard of :D:D
    What will be interesting is when they finally get around to driving decent amounts of traffic through their search engine and they then introduce their own version of adsense.
    But hey, guess what, they'll still be banning people just like Google does.
     
    jlawrence, Aug 10, 2005 IP
  15. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

    Messages:
    9,605
    Likes Received:
    777
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    370
    #95
    No, it is not wrong, and I already told you why, they are protecting the advertisers interests.

    And if you get banned and say you have no idea of what you did wrong, you are just fooling yourself.
     
    fryman, Aug 10, 2005 IP
  16. TheBrokenOne

    TheBrokenOne Peon

    Messages:
    146
    Likes Received:
    13
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #96

    bah. microsoft planning their own adsense thingy in response to googles, i would say its fairly relevant to the discussion. bah.
     
    TheBrokenOne, Aug 10, 2005 IP
  17. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

    Messages:
    9,605
    Likes Received:
    777
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    370
    #97
    bah, who cares about what microsoft is planning to do in 2 years? They can't even get their search engine to work. Bah, we are discussing Google's adsense program, in case you didn't notice. bah.
     
    fryman, Aug 10, 2005 IP
    T0PS3O likes this.
  18. e10

    e10 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,250
    Likes Received:
    155
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    185
    #98
    Fryman, go and lie down, sweetie. You are sounding a wee bit over-heated. Okay, yes, baddies need to be plucked out BY the programme but you really don´t accept that there may occasionally be innocent bystanders hurt in the latest techy net? I do realise that these bad apples need to be plucked out, but I don't like that there is no court you can put your case to to be reconsidered, should your site be picked in the latest development that nobody understands.
     
    e10, Aug 10, 2005 IP
  19. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

    Messages:
    9,605
    Likes Received:
    777
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    370
    #99
    lol... isn't this why forums are meant for? To have these kind of discussions? Although last thing I need is some guy hijacking the thread and talking about unrelated Microsoft stuff, the only person allowed to hijack my thread is Sitetutor, and boy does he have experience in that field....

    Since I finally got a chance of talking about something related to webmasters instead of something as "interesting" as Nintendo's new song, why not enjoy it? :D
     
    fryman, Aug 10, 2005 IP
  20. e10

    e10 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,250
    Likes Received:
    155
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    185
    #100
    Okay Fry, go for it. Just bear in mind that it´s not fair to paint everybody with the baddie brush, okay. ;)
     
    e10, Aug 10, 2005 IP