According to Muslim leader, all women should wear a veil

You are absolutely correct. It is not compulsory.

Are you a female or have a female relative? May I suggest we take a quick trip to هلمند, or قندھار with her (or you)? How about she (or you) wear a nice white collared buttoned shirt, and jeans, and tennis shoes? It does get hot this time of the year there...

I be happy to fly you in. Please make sure her Will and Last Testament (or yours) is up to date.

 

What does this show acc. to your logic?

You should first study legal and social laws before superficially relating everything with religion.

 

That sounds more like a "women drivers" joke than an actual law that ever existed. Do you read the things you post?

http://www.main.com/~anns/other/humor/sillylaws.html

Here's some more:

http://www.huddlenet.com/reallife/dumblaws.html

Note that the second site admits that the laws havn't been verified. They may or may not have ever been on the books.

In Islamic countries, breaking the laws of "modesty" will get you killed. Those laws aren't jokes that anyone can laugh about. It's pretty sick to make comparisons.

 

Once you get the point, you'll figure the answer of what you ask.

 

ah yes, they get stoned to death or heads hand and feet chopped off as punishment like in iran huh

 

No they are not, punishments vary acc. to "cultures", but there can still be punishments to such actions and discrimination towards women everywhere every culture and different places with different religions, it simply is not directly connected to religion unlike claimed.

 

Discrimination is not murder.

 

Iowa:
A man with a moustache may never kiss a woman in public.
discrimination towards women i would say that she can kiss shaven men, so it is only discrimination towards unshaven men not women

Florida:
It is illegal for a woman to bungie jump naked on Sunday before midday.
she can be naked but not bungy jump before noon, a stoning offence?

Kentucky:
A woman can not buy a hat without the husband's permission
200 year old law

Minnesota:
It is illegal to have sex in any other position other than missionary.
to protect women from anal sex

New Mexico:
Females are strictly forbidden to appear unshaven in public.
this was to protect women that where exploited in the circus as the bearded lady

North Carolina:
If a man and woman who are not married to each other live together "lewdly and lasciviously" they can be fined $1,000 and be sentenced to up to 60 days in gaol. This 200 year old law is still actually enforced!
stoning offence

Ohio:
Women are prohibited from wearing patent leather shoes in public.
It's illegal for a woman to strip off her clothing while standing in front of a man's picture.
200 year old laws

Pennsylvania:
It is required that a woman have a permit to wear cosmetics.
In Morrisville,Pennsylvania a woman needs a permit to wear make-up.
200 year old laws

Tennessee:
It is illegal for a woman to drive a car unless there is a man either running or walking in front of it waving a red flag to warn approaching motorists and pedestrians.
200 year old laws

Washington:
n Seattle if a woman is sitting on a man's lap while riding a bus, train, or trolley, there must be a pillow between them.
not discrimination here, it means both cant have sex.

 

Difference is; i'm not following your logic and say this is what people who believe in Bible do, so Bible is an ignorant discriminating piece of... this is about those countrymens' culture and lack of talent in making laws of some humans

But you, you just see a stupid uncivilised culture and its' laws and start accusing the holy book and the whole religion.

Be wise and focus on cultures, solid parameters as educational level, economical circumstances and so on, stop accusing a whole religion from how ignorant people perform it. If those people were christians, those punishments would probably remain the same, since they are too blind to see what a deep book tells them to do, whether Bible or Qoran, and just make those up from their minds.

@samantha, i saw your post late, it does not mean a thing how old those laws are, we could be discussing these 200 years ago too since same religions were still then, and those would still not be connected to religion, maybe 200 years later those people you accuse will stop acting like that, so time is not the issue here.

 

7 days of islam making peace around the world

i dont need to say any more.
until you who claim to be no part of that barbaric culture, begin to demonstrate that it is unacceptable to you and your religion, by finding the people and jailing them for the crimes they have committed, then i am afraid you are stuck with the same views of your religion by most people in the west, because you cant claim you are nothing to do with that barbaric stuff, while sat there and doing nothing to stop it, to protest to your leaders to crack down on it. and to deal with the people that are doing it.

 

Leo, this thread seems to be running low on content, maybe you can help out?

 

I've stated my opinion in it already. I can find anything requested as long as there are people with will to listen with an objective persperctive, sadly neither you nor that punk has it towards Islam.

 

like i said, when the members of islam begin to demonstrate that the violence and barbaric acts committed in it's name is unacceptable, and you start making an effort to stop it and change the abuse of human rights and oppression of women, you'll have islam accepted in a better light here in the west.

if you sit back and do nothing about it, then nothing will change the wests views on islam.

if you cant see a simple issue as the forcing of women to be covered from head to toe as oppression of women, then you have not the mentality to want change.

here in the west women have the same rights as men, but we have have laws to give us protection from abuse by men too. something i see lacking in the east.

 

I see what you mean, i agree some incidents commited under its' name are totally unacceptable. However this is not the best place to discuss these as long as the attitude is so hostile and empathy-free. That's why i'm asking those people to be more friendly and love their neighbour. Offending is easy, anyone can do it, keeping calm is not. And the issue is not the discrimination towards women in Islamic countries, never was, maybe you care about it, but most of the people here only (ab)use it as a so-called proof how Islam is uncivilised, not that they care for women or something, they'd first look at their own laws and demographic profiles of their governors if they did anyway.

Discrimination is simply everywhere, maybe every law does not require a "legal murder" for it, but it still is a big reason to murders and violance considering causes of crimes. Legal laws aren't everything, how much people follow and obey them is the matter, like I recall something you said, "Here i can talk freely without the risk of being slapped by a guy" sth like that. Isn't it discrimination with violance, that risk you mention for irl? Guys oftenly call girls as chicks, sluts etc. in those so-called civilised locations, that's a discrimination to women seeing them nothing more than sexual objects.

PS: My last post in this thread, i think people made enough points

 

this is from the UN:

i beg to differ but in the west domectic violence to women does not end in 50% of us being killed.

he become a muslim, so the teaching of islam devalued his daughters lives in preference for his son. that makes it clear to the west that islam doesnt value women like you said.

medical reasons why it is wrong to have sex with children are well known even if you dismiss the perverse moral issues, so islam needs to move on and advocate that young girls are given the same protection from harm as male children.

islam makes the word of a women, less than that of a male, infact a rape victim needs 4 males to be a witness to her rape, or she faces going to jail or even death.

why is it so hard to accept that islam does abuse womens rights?

 

Catholic priest eats babies!

OMG!

 

Actually if I am not mistaken, the bible also says that all women need to wear a veil.

 

No, the Bible says a woman's long hair are the cover.