About the Israeli-Palistinian conflict

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Gomeza, Aug 22, 2012.

  1. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #41
    You have proudly spoken of 637 when the Muslims annexed Jerusalem. Who did they take it from? That land has be ruled by many people over many years. Now it is in the hands of Israel. The world does not play the game were we are giving lands back to people who once held it. But even if the world did, it would not be the Palestinians so it is a stupid argument. The Palestinians are one of the few groups never to have governed the area.

    There was no Palestinian state when Israel was formed. Nobody took away a Palestinian homeland. The Palestinians never made one and when the opportunity arose to do so the Palestinians could have had their state and instead they spent their efforts to try and keep Jews from having a state. It has not worked out so well. Still, in spite of their idiotic behavior over the last 60 years many people, me included, think they should still have a state next to Israel. I think for most Palestinians they would want that already. Unfortunately for them, many of their "supporters" like you want them to fight for all of Israel. You have said it is a strategic decision to keep them as refugees and you don't care if it takes 100 more years that the goal is Israel and nothing else will suffice. With supporters like you they do not need any enemies.
     
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  2. Mikaël2

    Mikaël2 Member

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    #42
    Palestine existed long before 637. The fact that Muslims annexed Palestine in the year 637 is irrelevant. Who they took it from (the Byzantine Romans) is also irrelevant.

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    What makes you think a bunch of immigrant Jews have a right to impose a Jewish State on the native Palestinians ? Would you like it if Islamic immigrants imposed Islamic state on California ? Why do Jews get to impose a Jewish state on the indigenous Palestinians ? Is it because Jews are superior and everyone else is inferior ?

    Why can't you admit that a bunch of greedy European Jews stole the Palestinian homeland and made it their own ? Too afraid that God might curse you if you say Jews did something bad ?

    Now I'd understand if you said that; 'the Jews did were wrong, but Israel exists now and therefore a solution must be found to the conflict'. This would be a reasonable argument. Instead of making this argument, you defend all the wrong the Jews did, including but not limited to; stealing, looting and ethnic cleansing.

    The founder of Israel, David Ben-Gurion said - "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"

     
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    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    #43
    Hey loo I can draw a fake map . To bad i forgot that the land was called Judea under the Roman empire , it was never called palestine .

    And ya the fact that the muslims stole the land is irrelevant . It's so fraking amusing to see you invaders crying when your stolen goods are returned to their rightful owners .
     
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  4. Mikaël2

    Mikaël2 Member

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    #44
    Yes it was. You are showing your ignorance again.

    Most Palestinians converted to Islam by the 7th or 8th century. There's still 100,000 Palestinian Christians today, I suppose they are also illegal invaders from Arabia too?
     
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    pladecalvo Peon

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    #45
    History is not your strong point is it? The Emperor Hadrian was so utterly pissed off with the Jewish Nation that he wanted to erase the name of Israel and Judah from the face of the Earth....so he changed the name from "Provincia Judea" and renamed it "Provincia Syria Palaestina"...later shortened to "Palaestina" and the name “Palestine” was derived from it as a modern and Anglicized version.

    So your claim that it was never called Palestine (or the Latin equivalent of Palestine) during Roman rule is false. There is no charge for your education. :rolleyes:
     
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  6. ApocalypseXL

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    pladecalvo Peon

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    #47
    Please pay attention to your own link.

    "Following the suppression of Bar Kokhba's revolt, the emperor Hadrian changed the name of the province to Syria Palaestina and Jerusalem became Aelia Capitolina in order to humiliate the Jewish population by attempting to erase their historical ties to the region.

    According to historian H.H. Ben-Sasson, under Diocletian (284-305) the region was divided into Palaestina Prima which was Judea, Samaria, Idumea, Peraea and the coastal plain with Caesarea as capital, Palaestina Secunda which was Galilee, Decapolis, Golan with Beth-shean as capital, and Palaestina Tertia which was the Negev with Petra as capital."


    It' right there at the end of the article...clear as day! It WAS called Palestine under the Romans.
     
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  8. Mikaël2

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    #49
    The name Judea remained in use with the name Syria Palestine being used to define the greater are including modern day Jordan and Syria . The inclusion of Judea in the greater province of Syria was to facilitate population transit after the region was forcibly depopulated of most of the Jews . Syria Palestine doesn't equal Judea just as Asia Minor doesn't equal Syria Palestine .

    Later division of the Syrian Palestine province although initially somewhat clear
    was plagued by a near continuous maladministration of the region . It is only now the former province of becomes divided between Palestina Prima , Palestina Secundus and Arabia . Once more the name Palestina is used to define the greater geographical region . To say that the Province of Judea was Palestine is both historically and geographically inaccurate .
     
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  10. Mikaël2

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    #50
    Weep.

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    pladecalvo Peon

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    #51
    The Romans referred to it as Palestina...live with it kid.
     
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    #52
    Its now Israel whether everyone likes it or not. :D
     
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  13. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #53
    This is the best he could do in his desperation to paint Jews badly. It is not even "insignificant and obscure" - it is simply nothing. No hatred whatsoever. What a fool. Someone safely showing kids about guns. Nothing about Palestinians or Arabs or Islam in this picture other than the hateful text some idiot added. The guns are wired together not waved around like kids openly do in Palestine. This is what passes for "facts" supporting his arguments on these threads. He justifies his hatred of Jews by thowing in his lot with Mikaël and doubling down on all the personal hate-filled posts he makes. Nothing but pure vitriol toward Jews.

    He goofed when trying so hard to prove someone wrong he spoke openly about the Jewish and Israeli nation being there long before any Palestinians. Oops. Mikaël won't be happy with his pet Kafir.
     
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    Mikaël2 Member

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    #54
    Who saids Jews don't teach hate ? Jews teach hate to little children in kindergartens and schools !

    [video=youtube;sVCMGtrsh_8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVCMGtrsh_8&[/video]
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #55

    Classic. That is almost as good as the one pladecalvo posted.

    Are you suggesting that is a actual kindergarten and actual kids being taught? Did you listen to it? It sounds like a comedy show for adults - a parody. Holy crap you are dense.

    You guys and your desperation are hilarious.
     
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    pladecalvo Peon

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    #56
    Oh of course not! When we see a Palestinian kid holding a gun it's the Palestinians training their kids to kill Jews ...but when we see Jewish kids with guns...it's all perfectly innocent! LOL! What a bonehead you are.

    Go back and read the posts bonehead.

    WTF are you talking about? Are you missing your medication today?? Show me where I said that...or is this yet another example of your seeing things that do not exist. You must have caught the condition from arse-licking Obamamouth!
     
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    Mikaël2 Member

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    #57
    Hate is hate. Jews teach hate to children. It's a fact.
     
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    pladecalvo Peon

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    #58
    Of course...it's all a plot isn't it...and you call us idiots. LMFAO!! Go take your tablet.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3DIrXd33SI&feature=player_embedded
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #59
    In your own words:

     
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    #60
    C'mon dude...you can't really be this thick...can you?? I give up if you are...it would be a pointless effort to try to educate you.
     
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