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Abortion

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by hostlonestar, May 25, 2009.

  1. Jackuul

    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    #101
    When one is a rock, nothing gets through but age and erosion.
     
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  2. hostlonestar

    hostlonestar Peon

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    #102
    If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and smells like a duck...it must be....a duck :eek:

    pizzaman. You say it is scientifically a fact that a fetus is not human? :confused:. Thats funny, as with quite a bit of scientific theories, there are many others that strongly disagree, based on science.

    You have dug your rut so deep it is hilarious to watch you post things. You link to a definition of respire which refutes your stories. Admit it, you have absolutely no idea what your talking about so you start contradicting yourself (as people do when they are above their heads) and you start making things up (also what people do when they are in over their heads).
     
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  3. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #103
    the link was in response to brums comments. and he is the one that used that word and most of the definitions are breathing.
    the prevailing scientific is that fetus is not human and part of mothers body.
    it seems that your sides argument is the looks like a duck theory. and of course that is a superior argument. lolz
     
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  4. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #104
    We're still waiting for this "prevailing science" Pizzaman.

    I hate to break it to you, but the word 'breathe' and 'breathing' are used, incorrectly, synonymously with 'respire' and 'respiration' in order for people like you may have difficulties understanding what the latter words mean. Technically, there are differences between the former and the latter.

    How can something non-human be an unborn baby, which is human? Or to use the correct term, Homo Sapien. All organisms are part of a species or sub-species, foetuses within human women, are Homo Sapien. There simply is no way of credibly denying this fact.
     
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  5. hostlonestar

    hostlonestar Peon

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    #105
    Seriously, the offspring of a human can be nothing other than a human. A baby lizard in an egg is still a lizard. A baby human in the mother is still a human. You have yet to show us scientific evidence that a baby human growing inside of its mother is not in fact human. Please, show me the evidence.

    all you have told us is your personal opinion based on...your personal feelings. No where in that is there evidence.'

    Its like if I said my tin foil hat was actually gold. Someone asked me why I could use your same arguments. "Because people think so". Although, there is no scientific proof, nor any opinions of that, its still what I believe the molecular composition of the tin foil hat is actually a gold hat.:rolleyes:.
     
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  6. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #106
    mammals are air breathing animals. we are not talking about using oxygen fish also uses oxygen. the point is to inhale air from atmosphere. use the lungs to separate and use the oxygen and exhale the carbon dioxide that is created by the body back into atmosphere.
    unborn baby, fetus or whatever you want to call it does not do this. call it organism tissue or whatever you want. it does not matter to me. the fetus is part of the mothers body. this is the part that will eventually becomes a human. but the point that it becomes human is at birth or a little after when it starts breathing[as i explained at the beginning of the post]. not before. not while it is not born.
    getting the oxygen from mother as proxy is what disqualifies it as human. that is what makes it a mothers body. because it acts like the other parts of mothers body. it uses her to receive oxygen. it uses her to discard co2 and host of other things. or actually it is more accurate to say mothers body provides it with oxygen and cleanse it. the blood that goes in its veins are from mothers body. it is not exclusive blood.
     
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  7. bogart

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    The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act enacted November 5, 2003, 18 U.S.C. § 1531, PBA Ban) is a United States law prohibiting a form of late-term abortion that the Act calls partial-birth abortion. Under this law, "Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both." The law was enacted in 2003, and in 2007 its constitutionality was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart.

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  8. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    Says who? I've made repeated calls for sources and proper medical opinions, but I see nothing but your own opinion.
     
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    bogart Notable Member

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    #109
    The blood is not shared between a mother and baby. They may even have different blood types. Oxygen, nutrients, and waste products are transferred through the placenta.
     
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    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    That just goes to show how educated on this subject he is :rolleyes:
     
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  11. hostlonestar

    hostlonestar Peon

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    lol I really can't believe he thinks the baby and the mother use the same blood. Apparently pizzaman is even less educated about the subject than I originally thought. It's ok, we all have our weak points. Yours just happens to be common sense.

    And your uncanny ability not to produce sources to back up your opinion. Oh, wait, I know why, it's because it is just that, an OPINION.
     
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  12. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    I like how no-one on this entire forum has even put forward a similar argument. Even those who don't oppose abortion disagree with what he says :p
     
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  13. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    bunch of nincompoops. read the page completely.
    http://www.childrenshospital.org/az/Site636/mainpageS636P0.html
     
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    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    If the mother's blood ever mixed with the blood of a fetus it would clot and die unless the blood type was exactly the same.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    but since fetus is the part of the mothers body
    an atie that does not believe in biology. and can not read. must be a fundamental atie. a born again atie.
     
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    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    Sorry for this, but... please disconnect your computer, log off, and go take some basic human biology classes at the high school level. I recommend anatomy, physiology, and basic human biology. You are fail. You are full of fail. You have become fail, destroyer of IQ.
     
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    #117
    Hey, back off of Pizzaman. He is a die hard Obama supporter, and that should tell you he is a highly intelligent individual!
     
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    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    I voted Nader but supported Paul (could not vote Paul).
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    http://www.childrenshospital.org/about/Site1394/mainpageS1394P0.html
    learn to read. i am quoting a pediatric hospital website. where the doctors deal with fetus mothers and children all the time. i understand it might be past the level of your comprehension. but at your age high school biology level should not be sufficient or is it.

    here is a little help in understanding the style of my argument. hope it helps. warning it is college level
    http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...du&cd=16&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    he is an athie and you are a lefty. lolz
     
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