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Abortion, Good- Bad

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by diarmuid, May 30, 2007.

  1. SolutionX

    SolutionX Peon

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    #61
    Ok, so how would explain the percentage that toughed it out and didn't kill themselves? Do I get good credit for those? :D
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #62
    My wife was only 16 when she had her first child despite the people around her saying it would ruin her life. I also know people who were in similar situations and some who opted for abortion who have regretted it since.

    -gworld -
    Now Our son is 18, (I had adopted him after we got married) but since he will be thinking for himself he will probably vote for more Republicans than democrats, should he be aborted? It shouldn't be too late to do it now.
     
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  3. diarmuid

    diarmuid Peon

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    #63
    Everyone is different, everyone has different limits, and everyone responds differently to situations. That is another key point, why it is unfair for someone to sit here and say that abortion is wrong, different people in different situations have different circumstances.

    In the same way, your actions affect other people differently.

    Someone with a gun put to his head, might turn round and attempt to disarm the guy with the gun, another guy might run into the traffic..

    So no, you don't get good credit.
     
    diarmuid, May 31, 2007 IP
  4. TheMarketingMadman

    TheMarketingMadman Well-Known Member

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    #64
    Moderately Hilarious............:D
     
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  5. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #65
    And what's this got to do with anything? :rolleyes:

    Your wife HAD THE FREE CHOICE not to abort and other people should have the same choice to make a decision that is best for them instead of you or other people making it for them. ;)

    In the end, it is about the right of individual to decide over their own body.
     
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  6. TheMarketingMadman

    TheMarketingMadman Well-Known Member

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    #66
    Good points, well said .....Bravo
     
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  7. Toopac

    Toopac Peon

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    #67
    Who forced who to have a baby? are these women raped?


    So we should be allowed to kill new borns too, they need people to care for them, so do pensioners etc
     
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  8. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #68
    It does not need to be rape, it can be a condom that breaks, it can be the pill that didn't work and woman get pregnant. If you REMOVE THEIR FREE CHOICE to continue with pregnancy or terminate it, then you are forcing them to have the child.
     
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  9. diarmuid

    diarmuid Peon

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    #69
    Many people have had abortions, and it has worked out well for them, people make decisions, sometimes they work out for the best, sometimes they don't.

    I am honestly glad that it worked out for you. However there are also cases where it doesn't work out, and I wish those people had maybe considered all the alternatives.
     
    diarmuid, May 31, 2007 IP
  10. SolutionX

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    #70
    No, In the end it's about the right of an individual to decide whether or not another individual can live.
     
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  11. Toopac

    Toopac Peon

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    #71
    So you are suggesting that they did not know that was a possibility or that they didn't know sex causes reproduction?

    Don't they have free choice to abstain from sex to prevent accidents in the first place?
     
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  12. Libertate

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    #72
    What choices does the man have in an abortion?
     
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  13. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #73
    Do you mean I just killed 2 individual chicken by making an omelet in the morning? :rolleyes:
     
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  14. diarmuid

    diarmuid Peon

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    #74
    I phrased it very carefully, they don't need a specific person. A fetus or embryo needs a specific person, the person they were concieved in. Pensioners, new borns don't because at that point it is not nessecary for them to have their mother caring for them.

    At the point that , the embryo/fetus is not actually a human and it lives only through the mother. Which is the crucial difference, between abortion and what you speak of.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #75
    So what is your suggestion now, everyone should abstain from sex? :rolleyes:

    Or may be they can become "republican" and join the others in the closet, so they can have sex without the risk of reproduction. :D
     
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    #76
    You forget about gworld? I don't think he can survive without his mother caring for him, so can I abort him? ...please? ;)
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #77
    I was just pretending so your mom will breast feed me, I was surprised that it worked. :D
     
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    #78
    No quite the opposite, they can do what they like, but accept the consequences of their actions.

    I mean, you said what if the "condom breaks" yet when people have sex even using a condom they know that they could still catch aids or some other nasty infection yet they continue accepting the risk, the same applies to babies too you accept the risk whilst having sex.

    If a women had sex & caught aids, then who forced that on her?

    If a women had sex & become pregnant, then who forced that on her?

    Did she not make a decision already in both cases to accept the risk?
     
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    So what happens if instead of Aids, the woman gets chlamydia? She should just ignore and live with it because she took a risk by having sex and therefore she is not entitled to use penicillin to cure it. :rolleyes:
     
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  20. diarmuid

    diarmuid Peon

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    #80
    Could that not almost be considered as a personal attack on another member? And a quite unprovoked one come to think of it...:p

    But aside from that, whilst people do realise that sex can cause reproduction... They don't realise that on there way home they are going to be raped, or they didn't know that the condom was going to split... They didn't know that the pill wasn't going to work because they accidentally took the wrong pill.

    And also, you would be supprised about the number of people who fall victim to the myths regarding what can cause pregnancies...

    Finally... I'm sorry to say, but those of us that are humans, occasionally make mistakes...
     
    diarmuid, May 31, 2007 IP