A thought upon religion in general

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Silver89, Jan 5, 2008.

  1. #1
    Hi,

    To start off with i'm 18 and have been brought up by my family to be christian and have been to christians schools throughout my life.

    However i seem to have serious doubts upon faith and religion in general, but noone seems to be able to answer my questions.

    Basically what if religion in general only exists because people are scared of what happens afterlife? Religions focus mainly on heaven and hell?

    Where did we come from? Where did God come from?

    Thats basically my major doubt

    Any answers would be good,

    thanks

    Dan
     
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    webwork Banned

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    #2
    I used to think this, like the comfort affect, but I don't really think thats true anymore.

    I consider life to be a gift and not a priveledge or a right. I just want to know who to thank.

    Look at how life created. The real question is: did life start by an accident (did nothing come from nothing?) or is there something that created life? Can life create itself?

    To me, looking at what created God is like trying to figure out what the color blue smells like. To me, God is the force that's always been there and always will be there.

    I was never religious until I turned 21. I'm 22 now.
     
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    #3
    read up on near death experiences, a lot of their stories support the fact that Christ exists.

    I'm a Christian, but don't believe any of what modern Christian/catholics believe. i don't believe in preaching judgment, we should be preaching love.
     
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    #4
    God is man made. Christ was just a peasant. Religion is the biggest scam. If you want to find God start observing nature and all living things and draw your own conclusions which could depend on so many variables, intellect being one of them.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    I will try to find a video for you about intelligent design that will be yopur one step closer to believing in god.
    It talks about how all of the best micro biologists get together and try to prove darwinian evolution and disprove
    intelligent design, and end up starting to doubt darwinian evolution based upon the premise that they find it impossible for life to have been created by chance.

    Think about it. Did all of these incredible universal laws have come about in place from total chaos? Its is mathametically impossible. Some people just have faith without proof, and some need proof, and that is ok.
    The definition of isreal means to struggle with god. God wants you to be curious, to ask question and to seek him out, but i must warn you if you do come to this realization, you will never be the same person physically, mentally and spiritually.:D

    I will try to find the video link again, though it is under one of my other posts. These are some of the times that make me wish i hadnt posted so much on dp
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    Actually Nate, the first true premise of christianity is LOVE, the rest are all second.

    To find love means to find truth, to find truth You must vote for ron paul because ron paul is truth and truth is love:D
     
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    Hallelujah brother!:D
     
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    You didnt bring anything into this world nor are you going to take anything when you go.
    Live and let live.
    Do no harm to others and treat others as you would like to be treated however poor and
    humble they might be.
    Dont worry too much about religion. Say your prayers and do the right thing
    Just my 2 cents worth.
     
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    If you look at what people use god for it soon becomes apparent that his primary use when first invented was to answer questions that were able to be asked but unable to be answered. Primitive man wanted to know why the sun rose, Why the earth is here, why crops grew and what happens after we die. Then as these gods become more accepted village leaders noticed that if people believed in a god they will also abide by any rules that he may lay down, So they started inventing some. They invented lots of rules and punished rule breakers harshly. And this is where religion comes from.

    You only have to look at a few of the rules that the gods supposedly demand people follow to realize that they are entirely man mad concepts and hardly something that a god, A supposed creator of the universe, would be concerned with. Like keeping milk and meat separate, Mutilating a childs genitals, starving yourself and praying.

    The ten commandments are a perfect lesson in keeping people in line;
    1. Have no other gods before me
    2. do no worship idols
    3. do not misuse the name of god.

    The very first three of these all important rules aren't about loving people or respecting them, they are about keeping people in line and preventing them doubting or straying from their religion. That is 33% of the rules designed to keep you believing and to stop you questioning.
     
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    The name of the video is "Unlocking the Msytery" and it highlights views and observations by the world's most respected scientists and biologists including Dr Behie. I would not be surprised if stox dismisses every scientist and microbiologist in this video. But, you never know. :rolleyes:
     
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    I do not know... He was just there...

    God created the vast un-ending Universe. God is above all dimensions, including the dimension of time.

    I believe in God because there has to be a creator to make such a beautiful world, the billions of species, the shimmering waters of the Atlantic, the misty peaks of the Himalayas. He is the ruler of he depths of the ocean, and the skies above us.

    Believing in Big Bang or theory of evolution does not disprove God. Infact, Science coexists with religion.

    I find it hard to believe that such a wonderful universe came into being from nowhere...

    I mean, what was there before the beginning of time? I believe the Universe began about 16 billion years ago, according to the Big Bang. It is known as the beginning of time...

    So, what existed before the beginning of time? Where did this Universe come from? So, there HAS to be a creator. He is known in different languages as Allah, God, Bhagvan, Elohim, Ishwar, Yahweh....... and hundreds of other names..

    But in the end, it is the same creator, ONE TRUE GOD.
     
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    The arguments in that video are easily dismissed. the intentions of these so called "scientists" isn't to make new discoveries, it is to find evidence for their preconceived ideas. They already believe in a designer, Now all they have to do is find evidence for it. Something which they are finding hard to do. Know why? BECAUSE THERE IS NONE AND EVOLUTION IS A FACT!

    When Behe invented this "irreducible complexity" nonsense he already demonstrated what a complete lack of understanding he had about evolution. In the Dover trial he was called as a witness and claimed that not one scientific paper has been written explaining how evolution could have created the bacterial flagellum motor, He was then shown a stack of scientific papers and and books explaining it. A stack that was so high that he was no longer visible on the witness stand. Not only did he not understand how evolution could have created the device, He didn't even try to find out. because if he had he would have found this mountain of papers himself.

    He makes the claim that the flagellum motor must be designed because it contains many parts and if one part is missing the device fails to function, Like a mouse trap. Then ken miller turned up as a witness for evolution and used a mousetrap with 2 missing parts as a tie clip, which demonstrated that while that mousetrap fails to function as a mouse trap with parts missing it still has a perfectly acceptable use, And as it still has a beneficial function it would be favoured by the evolutionary process.

    Funny... I have never heard a scientist make that claim while desperately trying to give science credibility.
     
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    Now how did I know you were going to say something like this???...hehehehe

    What a complete misuse of an "illustration". The Doctor said "like a mousetrap" , using it as an example. Your reasoning skills are less in value as time continues.
     
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    Religion does not need any proof from Science. Scientists are only trying to discover how God made his beautiful Universe. The greatest miracle of God is that He made the constants of Physics are they are. Even slight deviation from these constants would mean no Universe...

    Even a slight increase or decrease in the nuclear forces holding atoms together would mean no life on Earth. Everything is so perfectly made by God.

    I know you have many misconceptions. But mind you, Science is not perfect. They even have 6 different Strings theories, each of them are valid, and these folks say these theories are applicable to 6 different Universes... looooooool...

    They've still not found which theory applies to our Universe...:D

    Too bad for you, Religion is Perfect...
     
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    Yes he said "like a mousetrap". And Professor Ken Miller demonstrated that, "like a mousetrap", the bacterial flagellum can still have a purpose, Do a job and be evolutionary beneficial with some parts missing.

    The bacterial flagellum only needs all parts intact to do the job it presently does.
    Like the mousetrap, it can still be beneficial with some parts missing by doing a different job.

    All Behe is doing is using the age old argument from design and using the modern language of biochemistry. His argument is "it looks like it was designed, So it must have been". Ken Miller does a perfect job shooting down the entire irreducible complexity argument.
     
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    I think spirituality and questioning existence is groovy. In fact it's WAY groovy. I think it's what makes us human in many ways. But to me all of the religion stuff just gets in the way. It's like a barrier between whatever it is and us. Religion (at least western religion) doesn't seem to be much about spirituality or any real connection with anything, it appears to me to be about rituals and social control. ... I think it's good that you are beginning to question these things. Questions are the answer.
     
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    I agree bro,G-D is there no matter what,i dont believe in all this neopagan nature garbage-i believe in the real facts.



     
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    Start with your mother and father maybe ?
     
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