A question about PR

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by NirMorgo, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. #1
    So what is the PR good for?

    Every SEO expert always say that PR and SERP are two different things.

    Most clients, don't know anything about SEO, therefore they don't care about
    their PR. The only thing they want is to get their site to the first page on Google
    and get a lot of traffic to their site. Free traffic if possible.

    PR don't have anything to do with traffic. And many times you see pages with
    low PR outrank pages with higher PR on the SERP results

    So how does the PR effects your SERP results? (if at all)

    In other words, what is PR good for?
     
    NirMorgo, Jan 3, 2008 IP
  2. Axis.technologies

    Axis.technologies Peon

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    PR is an Scale to measure your Traffic.

    But Lot of Things matter to get Traffic to a website.
     
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  3. sultanofseo

    sultanofseo Notable Member

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    NO! its not. PR doesn;t have anything to do with your traffic.

    what is it good for? its just a little green bar on your toolbar that looks pretty and give you some psychological comfort letting you know that you have achived a high Page Rank. it used to be if you had high PR, you would get higher SERP but not anymore. i think PR is a dead technology which is soon to be sent to its grave
     
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  4. corlock

    corlock Banned

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    #4
    A PR indicates the value of IBLs of a certain website has...there are many people in the SEO world who basically makes PR a basis of the value of a site, but in reality, it does not do anything.
     
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  5. thegypsy

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    #5

    I believe you are talking about TOOLBAR PAGERANK which is a different beast than the actual PAGERANK algorithm....
     
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  6. Dan Schulz

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    #6
    PageRank has two things to do with traffic - and Jack left town. You can have a lot of links coming in to your site, but ti doesn't automatically (or magically) mean that you'll have people visiting and using your site in droves.

    PageRank deals with one thing and one thing only - backlinks.

    You want traffic? Market and promote your site - and then get others to market and promote your site for you (it's called word of mouth marketing).
     
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    #7
    PR is just a NUMBER nothing more

    PR doesn't mean traffic
    PR doesn't mean Good Rankings i beat up in rankings with a PR3 site sites with PR5 PR6 even PR7 so you got the point

    Concentrate on SEPS Traffic and backlinks and forget about PR
     
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  8. thegypsy

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    I don't get it??? Why forget about PageRank?? Or are you talking about ToolBar PageRank?
     
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  9. corlock

    corlock Banned

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    maybe he means that its much worth it to focus more on improving the SERP ranking and driving traffic than caring about PR...
     
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  10. thegypsy

    thegypsy Peon

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    U guys are spun... I give up.

    Best of luck with yer SEO... I have given you the path it is yours now to follow it or not...

    Cheers....
     
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  11. NirMorgo

    NirMorgo Peon

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    Hey gypsy! don't give up on us! :)

    The question I asked was about the tool bar PR, thats why all the answears are talking about it
    It's just that I had this feeling that only SEOs care about this PR, and that Google
    invented it just to play with us
    I just wanted to see if other guys with more experience then I think the same

    And about the other PR (not the tool bar one)
    can you tell a little more about it and how it effects your SERP?
    And how can you measure it? if at all
     
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  12. thegypsy

    thegypsy Peon

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    Ok….. lets see what we can do (takes deep breath_

    Now it is an unfortunate state of affairs that many of my peers in the blog-o-sphere get great traffic from creating their own FUD about the Google PR fracas. This is important when running around reading what so called ‘Top SEOs’ are writing about. They scream about Google, but that is often part of the income in the revenue portfolios



    Now, that said, let’s get some realty

    TBPR – the toolbar PageRank is a controlled metric that is infrequently updated, and even then the info is usually 2-4 weeks old. With their propensity for toying with it lately ( hand jobs) we can surmise that it is no longer an indicator of much of anything. Certainly handy for whipping up the marketing community, but little else these days IMO

    PR – the core of the original Google scoring system was PageRank. Over the years, many other methods have been looked at and patented, we can assume than some made it into the system in one form or another. So think of an oiionwith external layers around the core. The core of the ranking system s certainly PageRank, but other algos/methods have been incorporated over time.

    Does the TBPR play into my work in SEO? Never… do the fundamental principles of PageRank come into my thinking? Most certainly. They are simply not the ONLY consideration I work from.



    Jeez, at this point there is much to be considered about actual user performance metrics; meaning how use interact with the SERPs becomes a signal (ranking factor). This is most certainly a serious consideration with areas such as Personalized Search and moreover, to a lesser degree, the regular index.

    Point being, there are authority scoring methods, phrase based and probabilistic models and more that they have been toying with over the years. The core PageRank algorithm exists, just in a mutated for from the original. It is what Google was built upon, the silly little TBPR is worthless for the most part…. But certainly not PR which is seemingly the lexicon around here for the TBPR when they are vastly different topics…..
     
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  13. sultanofseo

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    #13
    you beat up a PR7 sire with a PR3? would like to see an example, i have never seen that happening before or never did find any reference to it anywhere. even if PR doesn;t mean anything in terms of SERP, it does mean how many people are linking to it and what is their authority. a site gets PR7 over time and for good reason. and the reason is - its a damn good site or has insane popularity (for which people are linking to it)
     
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    gypsy Toolbar PR

    sultan whatever i don't whant to disclose the url of my sites .....

    But i'm teling you the PR7 site is http://www.metacafe.com/ :) they rank on pos 32 for the same competitive term that i rank 26
     
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  15. sultanofseo

    sultanofseo Notable Member

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    that doesn;t realy mean the keyword you are targeting is the primary keyword metacafe is targeting. that site is an alexa ranking of 151 which means it is getting boat load of traffic. that is from other keywords they are targeting and brand recognition

     
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  16. NirMorgo

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    So what do I need to do to make the actual PR algorithm happy?
    what do I have to keep in mind to when I optimize to get a high PR? (not TBPR)
     
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  17. Sam 735

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    Ok guys...There are many thought-provoking thought. Who can tell me what alexa is...And what this * after number means
    For example 253*?????????????
     
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    #18
    PR is just a factor in SEPR
     
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    Generally, the higher your PR - the more links you have pointing to your site...which doesn't include links from link farms etc...
    As you go up the PR ladder, especially from PR5 onwards - it takes a heck of a lot of links to go up the scale...getting to PR1/PR2 is easy...
     
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    PR help me to get more traffic from google.
     
    smilesquare, Jan 4, 2008 IP