A question about different ip's

Discussion in 'Web Hosting' started by shauny35, Aug 2, 2011.

  1. #1
    I am trying to put together a network of blogs, i would like each blog hosted on a different ip. To do this do i have to use completley different hosting companies for each blog or can i buy multiple acccounts with the same company? what are the chapest options?

    thanks
     
    shauny35, Aug 2, 2011 IP
  2. HostMantis

    HostMantis Active Member

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    If you are doing this for "SEO purposes", you are honestly wasting your time and money. Google isn't as dumb as some people think. Using different IP addresses for multiple blogs won't fool Google into thinking they are owned and operated by a different entity/company/person. "SEO Hosting" is also nothing more than a sales gimmick (just like "unlimited" hosting) and will not help you with your Google SERP.
     
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  3. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    Agreed, SEO hosting is a marketing ploy designed to separate you from more of your money by selling additional IP's as a value add.
     
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  4. shauny35

    shauny35 Greenhorn

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    Say for example I had 100 different pr3+ blogs all hosted on different ip's, all with unique relevent content with various contextual links back to my sites and a few others in the same niche. Are you saying this would not have any affect on serps?
     
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  5. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    No, what he is saying is if you have 100 different pr3+ blogs all hosted on the same one IP, it would be no different than if you had them all on different IP's.
     
    Mia, Aug 2, 2011 IP
  6. shauny35

    shauny35 Greenhorn

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    Thanks, if this is correct it is good to know as it will save me a small fortune. But I still need more convincing
     
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    When ranking websites, Google doesn't use the domains IP address as a factor unless that IP is well known for hosting malware, phishing, etc.

    If a host is well known for hosting shady clients ("Offshore Hosting") that typically host nulled scripts, malware, phishing sites, you should not even consider them if you are trying to get a decent rank in Google.

    Other than that, your IP address really has no bearing on your rank. If Google feels your content is fresh, popular (backlinks) and is the most relevant to the search term, the higher your rank will go.
     
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    stach14 Peon

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    People still think that SEO depends on dedicated ips. not true. period
     
    stach14, Aug 2, 2011 IP
  9. shauny35

    shauny35 Greenhorn

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    Mmmm, would be interesting to hear what someone without any affiliation to a hosting company has to say about this conunudrum
     
    shauny35, Aug 3, 2011 IP
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    stach14 Peon

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    What kind of person are you looking for an opinion from? Who better to know the basics of how SEO is working then the techs that run the servers and IPs? Anyways I understand where people struggle to see things as they are today, it was different not too long ago and once you are in a routine, human nature is tough to change that routine and way of thinking. Data results which don't "think" let us know all we need to know about how the operation is running now compared to then.
     
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  11. RonBrown

    RonBrown Well-Known Member

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    There is no conundrum other than the one you are making for yourself. Hostmantis, Mia, and stach14 has given you the facts about dedicated IPs and SEO. If you choose not to believe them, that is your prerogative, but it doesn't change the truth.

    If it makes you feel any better I'll tell you that using 100 different IPs will make a difference. It's a complete lie, but it seems that this is what you want to hear.

    Who would you rather hear it from, those who have no real vested interest in what you do, or someone who is attempting to extract money from you by selling their SEO service and expertise, and possibly attempting to get you to change hosts to their "special" setup?

    The debate about dedicated IPs is so old now, and completely settled (bar any dubious and unfounded anecdotal evidence), that you should be seriously doubting the competence and expertise of anyone who tells you different.
     
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  12. HostMantis

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    We offer dedicated IP addresses as an account add-on, which we obviously make additional money from, however, we do not try to sell our clients something they don't necessarily need just to make a buck.

    There are honestly only a couple of reasons why one would require a dedicated IP for their account:

    a. They want to install an SSL certificate for their domain (SSL certs require a dedicated IP address)
    b. They want to be able to access their website via IP address (on a shared server, your account must have a dedicated IP address in order to access your website using an IP address)
     
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  13. shauny35

    shauny35 Greenhorn

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    You seem to have misunderstood and taken the wrong way my comment when I said it would be interesting to hear from more people other than people affiliated to hosting companies, I merely would like honest opinions from more sides, ie. seo professionals, website owners and such like. I am neither for nor against using different ip’s. I’m just playing devil advocate so i can make a more informed decision on which way to go
     
    shauny35, Aug 3, 2011 IP
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    RonBrown Well-Known Member

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    The thing is, the dedicated IP debate is pretty much settled and there's not much to discuss. That's about as completely informed as you'll ever be. There's nothing more to learn and no other opinions to seek because you now know the whole truth. Playing devils advocate when there can be differences of opinion, interpretation, and fact, is fine, but there's no more to gain in this situation - and if someone tells you something different about dedicated IPs then they aren't telling you the truth.

    My point about who's opinion is more valid still stands. A host doesn't have much to gain from selling you a dedicated IP. In fact, from my point-of-view (I work for a host) dedicated IP's are a pain the rear. You don't get much money, and when you partition your network like we do, and a subnet is full, you then need to start messing around which costs a lot more than you'll ever earn from someone purchasing a dedicated IP address: or a pile of them. So a host isn't really that much of an interested party.

    Someone selling SEO services DOES have a vested interest that often involves encouragement to move to their hosting as they say it is specially set-up for maximising the SEO returns. In most cases the "special set-up" is anything but special. It's these people you need to worry about most. One of our customers charges their customers £6000 per month (that's around $10,000 US - I'm not kidding) for SEO work and they certainly seem busy enough opening up new offices all over the place, but while they are very successful they don't advocate having dedicated IP's for each site - that should tell you everything you need to know. Big succsesful companies doing this work don't think it's necessary, so it obviously isn't
     
    RonBrown, Aug 3, 2011 IP
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    Dedicated IP is useful for purposes other than separating websites for masking their ownership from Google (simulating different owners). You don't need separate IPs for all your sites.
     
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  16. shauny35

    shauny35 Greenhorn

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    Thanks for all your input, there certainly is a strong case for not using individual ip's, in fact it seems to be the only case put forward, so I think I will host all my blogs on my current vs which will save me ££’s and see how it goes for 6 months
     
    shauny35, Aug 4, 2011 IP