A man get manhandled at immigrant rally for using his first Amendment rights

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  2. Toopac

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    The man in the car was being a dick.

    What a crappy propaganda piece:rolleyes:
     
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    It is his first Amendment right. Why didn't the cops do anything when his car was being smashed by protesters? That is against the law, right? Isn't that called vandalism?

    And excuse me for asking, but, since when does "being a dick" become a crime worth being manhandled by cops? I would understand if the guy got out of the car and punched someone, but all he did was stick up his middle finger.

    No, what you are seeing toopac is the end of the United States. When the people come into a country illegally, are allowed to protest about it, and then when a native born American sticks up his middle finger, and is manhandled by cops because of it, you are no longer living in a free country. You can try to paint whatever picture you like, but the video really speaks for itself.

    Toopac, your location says you're from the UK. Do you live in London? If so, how do you like the 4 million cameras which watch your every move? There is nothing like living in a free country. And, correct me if I'm wrong but, you guys have a bunch of immigrants to right?

    It sounds to me like both our governments have the same agenda: Overrun the native born population with people from third world countries, to turn their countries into a third world nation. Make no mistake, that is where the U.S. is headed.

    But let me clear up one thing toopac. I have nothing against the illegals. I mean, their own governments in Central America treats them like trash, and trust me, in Mexico, if you ain't born rich, you will never become rich. There is no Middle Class. You're either rich or poor.

    This is why they come here, and our government lets them. See, the government is the real problem. But someone like Ron Paul would fix it. Of course, you would probably prefer someone like Hillary or Barack, or maybe John McCain. These candidates would continue to let illegals overrun the borders. But, I must remember, your location says you live in the UK.
     
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  4. Toopac

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    We can discuss the in's & out's all day, but simply put this is what i see:

    A propaganda film that makes people think the whole worlds out to get them, America has been destroyed & the end is coming. Exactly the same message the website puts across as an whole.

    Illegal immigrates holding a rally.

    A dick drive up causing confrontation by giving them the middle finger instead of expressing any real opinion, which is not a bright idea with that many people there.

    Then his actions backfire on him when police see that he could cause a riot so they "take him down".

    Do you really believe the government is out to get Americans & protect illegals?

    No i'm not in London.

    We do.
     
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  5. tesla

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    Wow, no one else has posted on this thread? I guess the reality is too much of a shock for some people.

    I would first like to say that I don't agree with the way in which the man used his first amendment right. Yes, putting up your middle finger at an illegal immigrant rally was dumb.

    But guess what? I support his right to do it

    If the government said tomorrow to ban racist neonazi websites, I would be against it, not because I support Neonazis, but because of free speech. If they can't build a website voicing their views, I can't either.

    If a man can't express his opinion at a rally without being manhandled, I can't either. Does that make more sense toopac?

    You still didn't address the vandalism on his car, but you can't, because that is evidence which supports my view. If the cops were big on enforcing the law, why didn't they immediately stop the people who were beating on his car?

    The answer: Because yes, the U.S. government is protecting the Illegals. Toopac, we have the strongest military force in the world, and yet the government allows a bunch of criminals(entering a country illegal is a crime) to march around protesting about it.

    How about a bunch of child molesters have a rally protesting their rights? How about a bunch of rapists getting together for a rally? The law is the law, plain and simple. Where you're entering a country illegally, or raping someone, it is against the law, and you shouldn't be allowed to have a rally.

    Since the government does nothing, that shows they support the Illegals. Common sense, right? Its really simple Toopac, this isn't calculus.


    However, the guy sticking up his middle finger is just adding fuel to the fire, because there will be more people like him, and fights will start, riots will break out, and then the government will send in the men with black uniforms to bring peace.

    Bad stuff is going to happen to these illegals in the future. They better understand that Old Rich Dudes on Wall Street and in Washington allow them to march, and everything is being done by design.
     
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    Exactly

    False, if he had been protesting properly their would have been no problem. You can express your opinion/protest today outside the white & you wouldn't be "manhandled" unless your trying to cause a riot or could cause a riot or similiar

    Yes, it's vandalism but seriously what did the guy expect; go cause problems then have police protection to do it? i do think after the rally the police should try to identify & arrest them.

    The government wasn't protecting illegals (from what a middle finger?) they were protecting "order" they didn't want a mass riot or similar.


    So you can see the fact that he was disturbing the peace & not actually protesting.
     
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    This post is why I don't respect conspiracy theorists. Tesla sees a video, which clearly has an agenda behind it; reads what the video says and instantly believes it. He does not have any direct knowledge of the incident, of police procedures on this day, or anything. Sees a video, makes an instant conclusion. Tesla, apparently you are easily manipulated. Too much alien probing?
     
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    Many of the people rallying are criminals. You guys miss the whole point completely. What country allows criminals to get out in the street and protest against laws?

    You guys just keep right on supporting these people. You're not going to support them when the France like riots start.............

    I just love how people try to make excuses for the obvious. They would tell you to go to concentration camp, and you would try to rationalize about why you're going instead of just accepting the reality.
     
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    Brown people are here to take away our rights! Run!

    Conjecture. In previous rallies, radio stations turned them into "immigration" rallies and many of the protestors were legal people protesting. I agree that the media seems to remove the word "illegal" from the discussion all too often; but you are reall approaching this from an irrational standpoint.

    Islamic extremists were doing the riots in France. And they were all legal, there. It is a totally different situation. Not at all similar to a protest.

    The same one that doesn't kick them out in the first place, I guess.

    Hey; as long as your argument is reality based. Who are we to argue. Off to the camps we go!
     
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    Clearly if everything in the video is accurate, it is disgraceful.
     
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    "manhandled" haha
     
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    We have an estimated 12 to 20 million illegals here in the U.S. What makes them so different from the people in France? Oh, the people in France are Muslims, thats right.

    You might want to check out this article:http://www.thedenverchannel.com/7newsinvestigates/10945705/detail.html

    Illegals disobey traffic laws, and nothing happens. I see. So in the video I first posted, they vandalize a guy's car, and Lorien and Toopac try to make excuses for why the cops didn't do anything.

    They don't pay taxes, and many of them are on welfare. If I don't pay my taxes, I end up going to jail for tax evasion. When these people get sick, they can go into the hospital and get healthcare, even without having money or insurance.

    In Mexico, if you go to the hospital, and you don't have money up front, you don't get treatment. Wow, I tell you Lorien, you're a real American patriot. There is nothing like supporting foreigners who come into the country illegally.

    Make no mistakes, the riots will happen. Organizations like Atzlan and Le Mecha will radicalize many illegals, who are calling for the "killing of all whites."

    The situation can get nasty at any point, and just remember, your government was the instigator. We invade the middle east, but people flood over our own borders, and get treated like first class citizens. What a joke.

    However, the biggest joke is the way in which you defend them.........

    In countries like China, if illegals went out into the street protesting their right, the Government would brutally crack down in a heartbeat. In America, the true citizens are the ones who get "cracked down" for using their first amendment right. Yep, this country is going to end up like Rome, which also had a lot of immigrants...

    Oh yeah, just found another article:http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/8/19/150601.shtml

    Illegals can now open bank accounts and cash checks, even though they don't pay a dime in taxes. How do you like supporting their welfare programs lorien? They don't have to pay taxes, but we sure do........
     
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    Nope the ones in France are not illegal, its diffrent.

    In America mexicans only nee to walk a bit and they arrived, in France they have to breach several nations, some in baltikum that are always on the brinck of war and with highly secured borders.

    Nope the french ones are there legaly.
     
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    Tesla, I am not even discussing the problems with illegal immigrations. We all have problems with the laws surrounding them. That is not the issue here. I am currently only talking about you immediately believing a piece of propoganda considering an event you have no knowledge of, besides what was presented to you. Deflect it into an illegal immigration debate if you want, but I think you need to rethink what are you upset about here.
     
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    You already know why:

    I believe you understand what happened & the reasons why certain things happened, i just think you may be slightly blind to the truth because the people are foreign?
     
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    Brown people scare Tesla :(
     
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    I thought as much:rolleyes:
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    People that let alex jones do their thinking for them deserve to live in the fear he pimps. So many of his lies have debunked here, yet still those that worship him never seem to question him.
     
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    Alex Jones actually tells them he's fighting for their mind;)
     
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