A Jewish view on politics and religon

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    my jewish friend send me this letter

    It's good to see opinions of those who are directly affected

    HELLO,
    IT IS QUITE DIFFICULT TO READ QUICKLY... BUT THERE IS STUFF IN THERE ABOUT THE MASONS AND ALSO REFS. TO DANIEL... AND OTHER STUFF

    ANYWAY, SOMEHOW, THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN HAVING A GO? EVEN THOUGH MY BIBLICAL KNOWLEDGE ISN'T TERRIBLY ERUDITE, I GUESS ONE NEEDS TO TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

    LET ME KNOW IF SOMETHING PARTICLUARLY STANDS OUT TO YOU...I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, THANKS!
    G-D BLESS,

    JERUSALEM,


    Dear Friends,
    Greetings and Shalom
    On this, first day of the Head of the Year!

    It does have a meaning ,the year,but not a word:the 67 is 'somech zayin' :meaning reliance and the zayin means weapon...
    It is so very quiet with absolutely nothing stirring,so quiet it could be Yom Kippur,the day of Atonement that comes in 10 days.It is the time for repentance and soul searching,
    clearly we all are ,as a nation,deeply concerned for our future .

    Against the Backdrop during the last month or so were the Typhoon in the Far East causing millions to flee and take refuge and vast damage; the terrific floods in India;the continued slaughter in Darfur and still the daily suicide car bombs in Iraq causing infinite misery to a degree & on a scale we can hardly imagine.Some 3590 deaths just in July.
    The coup in Thailand brings a Moslem
    to be the new head of the army .
    RAMADAAN the Moslem feast interestingly also takes place again this year,as last, at the same time as the Appointed Feasts of The Lord-as we see in Leviticus 23 .And again this year,closure on the West Bank inhabitants for security reasons,and an eclipse.
    Relating events to Holy Scripture in the BIBLE
    The GOD of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob has much to say ,both to Israel at the beginning of the 40th year since the 6 Day War of 1967, and to the Nations of the World:
    Please Read On...:

    LEBANON WAR-THE AFTERMATH :
    PM Olmert said after his election"I will be the man to redraw Israel's borders" ,soon after his first act as PM was his order to expel the settlers from the Armona settlement using horses and whips against his own people which shocked the country even the more so after the expulsion from Gaza.Many have expressed their feelings that this war was Divine Retribution for expelling Jews from the Promised Land which has reaped the veritable whirlwind.Then,during the war Olmert said'it will help to promote the plans for the withdrawal'(from Samaria and Judea) This demoralised the nation,and those many soldiers that were from settlements in Judea and Samaria who protested 'why /what were they fighting for?'.....neither has proper financial compensation been given to either still 50% of the expelled Gaza settlers or the people who suffered damage and loss in the war .
    The war has provoked and begs the right questions that many are asking= what kind of society have we become; one like we see in the book of Jeremiah chs 4-9 ?-what has happened to our national strength;why was the IDF improperly prepared(not sufficiently working weaponry,food water,clothing, lack of minefield maps,and reconnaisence re the enemy positions,) and who and which generals were responsible for losing the war.
    The former chief of Staff, Mosh Ya'alon has made the most serious charge ever leveled at an Israeli Goverment:the final 2 days of the 34 day war, in which 33 Israeli soldiers lost their lives was a 'spin' operation'according to Ya'alon for which the only purpose was to stave off public wrath demanding decisive action ! Moreover,to date ,Israel is still being held over a barrel by the Hamas-Hizballah re the 3 kidnapped soldiers -Shalit, Goldwasser and Regev-who in their plight,with their families,are in the public spotlight and are named each evening at the end of the Mabat national TV newscast .
    Demonstrations for their release by 60,000 Israelis,and also calls for the resignation of Olmert and IDF chief have taken place in Tel Aviv's Rabin Square..... and
    nothing has been done re the UN resolution 1701 calling for their release in spite of visits by Kofi
    Anan(both are Hebrew words!-does he =know?=Kof;monkey;the 'i'denotes the possesive tense=my monkey, and anan is the word for cloud='my monkey in the cloud'.....)
    Tony Blair ,Jesse Jackson, to name a few who have visited with the families .Israel is going to pay a heavy price to get its hostages back and award prizes for terror in the release of hundreds of enemy prisoners in exchange..and an invitation to kidnap again !
    And : note..quassam rockets continue to fall on Siderot S. Ashkelon, and Negev from Hamastan and
    Blair spearheaded the CONTINUED call for President BUSH's Palestinian State via the Quartet's Roadmap .
    A further LOOK n July 26th, Major Roi Klein
    commander of battallion 51of the famed Golani Brigade was killed during fighting with Hizballah guerillas at Bint Jibail.The same place where Nasrallah delivered his victory speechfollowing Israel's withdrawal in 2000.
    During the 3 am.battle,in whih 3 soldiers were killed, and while Maj. Klein was seeing to the evacuation of the dead and wounded while firing at the Hizballah gunmen--a hizballah grenade landed right next to Klein (a father of two children from the settlemant of Eli(where incidentally,in fact I did my reserve duty during the first Lebanon war,and was attacked by a fellow reservist because of my faith in Yeshua)--according to the soldiers who saw it all happen,Klein, with only a split second to think,jumped on the grenade, threw his body over it and absorbed the blast thereby saving the lives of his soldiers. Altogether 7 soldiers were killed,and Maj. Klein an orthodox Jew,was buried the next day at Eli, on his 31st birthday .

    CURRENT:HIZBALLAH-IRAN-SYRIA-NWO

    The Lebanese govt has said its army will not disarm the Hizballah-the Party of Allah(Hizb.)-has ministers in the Lebanese govt.
    The large multinationalUNIFIL force,including troops from Germany ,the first since the second w.war,it will not open fire on Hizballah
    terrorists(militia in their terms!)if they intend to attack,or even in the midst of an attack against Israel in order to implementresolution 1701:UNIFILS job said their Maj.-Gen Pellegrini, was to assist the Lebanese army and not toengage or prevent Hizballah attacks,nor to deploy on the Syrian-Lebanese border,sealing it against weapons infiltration.
    The lack of UNIFILS initiative was demonstrated yesterday,Thursday21st,when hundreds of Hizballahsupporters and infiltraters!!marched up to Israels border fence north of Metulla waving Hizballah flags, while it says Israel violates the cease-fire every day. Nasrallah terms Hamas as its southern wing-quite correctly so!

    IRAN<<<<
    Mahmoud Ahmedinejad the 50 year old civil engineer ,univerity professor, and former mayor of Teheran,father of 3 children :continues his blunt and repeated denials of the Holocaust,(as does Abbas{Barabbas...} of Hamas-Fatah and they still vow to destroy Israel)(-who PM Olmert is seen on National TV,hugging him...))))<<<
    and the shameful quest to wipe out a fellow member of the UN, ISRAEL, is THE source of inspirational intoxification for Islamic terror who find the world: infidel,heretical,lewd,licentious and greedy , the target for destruction of all that will not submit ,the' dar-al -harb'of ISLAM.
    As has been said, he considers himself the green-halo-ed John the Baptist for the hidden
    Twelfth Imam,poised to appear..for the second time(--this is all so counterfeit,as is a twin state to Israel,to the Scripture)...this 'glorious one'apparently disappeared as a child in 941 AD somewhere near Qom..?....
    and bringing upon the world a 7 year reign after(!) an Armageddon-like apocalypse which will leave most of the worlds infidel population ..dead.And ,thus, the world will be Islamic!!!! During his UN speech, as apparently in his previous one there(I may stand under correction) surrounded by a mysteriously visible 'green Presence' ,he invokes this 'Saviour of the Times'. The Persian prince apparently considers himself to have a vital personal role and his 'main mission' is to make ready(!) the way for this reappearance of the MAHDI and thus preparing Iran as a pure Shiite Caliphate Islamic State . Incidentally, the sword of Muhammad is to be seen in the Istanbul Museum ,and only he who holds that sword can rule the Moslem world,so it is said......

    With all of this-my thoughts are that it wouldnt
    be quite so, if they, Iran ,did not already have the'bomb' . They do already have missile capability to reach all of Israel, the Shahab3 As David Hathaway says on his famous video 'The Rape of Europe' 'they may have to deal with America before they can wipe out Israel'.(please see his website) I also say that the Iron and clay of Daniel's vision of the Image(see Dan.chp.2:28 -Amplified version,-fol.;and verse 39-44) , is the very evident Europe-Arabia=Eurabia .Daniel's vision in chapter 8 of the ram with 2 horns=the historical Medes,worshippers of the True God from who the Magi came seeking The Jewish KING=
    (the modern IraqiKurds) ,and the Persians that are the second horn coming up after the first and more strongly , which is the modern Iranian nation, and the stated vision is true and for the (then) distant future.And when we
    both ISRAEL and the REAL CHURCH see these things,well then, the PRAYER of Daniel chapter 9 is the role model prayer at and for these times. IS it not???......<
    See Jacob Prasch site:www.MorielAlert.com
    ISRAEL is being slowly but certainly being allured into the wilderness(of the nations)(Hosea chp2:13,14) by her GOD and forced to acknowledge her Prophetic and Spiritual Dimension of, and in the relating to suffering of THE PIERCED ONE, YESHUA .

    SYRIA<<<<
    There is much talk of the Gog and M'gog war of Ezekiel chps. 38-39. It would appear that there must be a peaceful border prior to this war.Isaiah ch 17:1 may come into play and the fuller borders as seen in Ezekiel ch 47:12-23 up to the Euphrates River. The questionfiltered=what is the bait for drawing Russia down? Possibly....?...

    NWO<<<<
    And their plans :
    quoting from the www.joelbainerman.com
    website..'the bombing of Lebanonis part of a carefully planned and co-ordinated military roadmap.The next stage will include attacks against Iran and Syria,already in the works by Israeli and American planners.The war will be conducted on behalf of oil interests and not out of concern for bolstering Israel's security.'
    Moscow,the Syrian Tartus port,Ceyhanlinks toisraeli ports of Ashdod-Ashkelon-Eilat for water from the Euphrates and gas ..and Damascus' modernisation of air defences and submarines in an Anglo-American military axis linking the Caspian oil basinto this Turkish-East Mediteranian bypassing the Russians....
    Have alook at www.jihadwatch.com as well !!
    WHY are there being assembled three huge aircraft carriers,the 38,000 ton Charles de Gaulle(Fr) the USS Mt. Whitney,with 1800 US marines,desalination plants;food for 90 days the most sophisticated command/control suite in the world,the Italian Garibaldi,and with so much on all of scores of airfighter jets and helicopters and plenty other equipment..
    A second look should be at the http://www.Debka.com?article.php?aid=1208

    On what I wrote to you several times, first drawn to the facts by Barry Chamish,some years ago concerning the 3 w.wars which Albert Pike disciple of the works of Adam Weishaupt the satanic father of modern freemason plots, wrote of the devilish plan and his letter of 1871 outlining the world domination by the Lucifarians,which was
    written well before any world war had even been thought of ,was said to be seen until recently ,in the British Museum:
    See the website ,type in the search AlbertPike.com and check it all out,most interesting!
    WW.1='was to permit the illuminati to overthrow the Czars and establish a fortress of atheistic communism opposed to western religion using British and German Empires to foment it...'
    WW.2='Nazism and nationalism to be destryed and strengthen political Zionism to institute a sovereign State of Israel...'
    WW.3='to bring about a mutually destructive war between the Zionists and Isalm and cause a social cataclysm provoked by exhausted nations and disiilusioned people with deistic-religio spirits...'

    What is more interesting , is the coming union of Mexico-America-Canada with a united currency(to save the dollar?etc) called the 'America'. This will be the first of the 10 horns of Revelation in the dividing of the world into 10 regions(See Daniel chp.2:44,45) and no doubt after the coming apocalyptic situation, the rest ,the 9 will emerge with already a new card system biometrical geo-positioning and monetry reforms etc, not to overlook other 'big brother' controlling world globalisation militia systems.... please look at www.MORIELALERT ,the Jacob Prasch ministry in the UK.and also the www. verichip.org site .

    GOD'S ANGER BEING REVEALED

    POPE BENEDICT 16th
    Well a surprise-now in September(see my last Tajruddin) the west and the east are having there 'discussions' but the 'earthly spokesman',for The LORD on High--- for certainly in Israel Christianity is seen to be virtually as 100% Catholicism---(Evangelicals are generally seen as Fundamentalist and Protestant sects,sorry to say)---its head being the POPE, has been surely used in GOD'S purposes to be the catalyst to inciting by his Regensberg speech, the what is now bandied around, described as The CLASH of CIVILISATIONS=Islam against the West as a tangible reality ,and for which remarks have Ignited,defined,and bought to the surface
    an ongoing, unforgiving Islamic attack on synagogues and churches here in the Promised Land and also around the world. .
    Fact.
    Goading.
    IGNITION .
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    MEDIA and ANTISEMITISM

    A---Well I am not going to list all the increasing attacks against Jewish people.But somewhere I saw that in France the level of attacks has reached the point where it was in Nazi Germany in 1933.
    B---JESUS said in the Gospel of Matthew
    chapter 24:9'...and you(the Jews) will be hated by all nations for My name's sake..'
    C---on the one hand ,more note is being given to Yeshua in the Jewish press and TV;but on the other hand,particularly the orthodox,more and more it is derisive and negative :
    in this weeks Jerusalem Post,September 22nd
    Rosh ha Shana, Paul Singer writes(page12,magazine section) :
    "....In her 'History of God'Karen Armstrong writes"(Muhammad preached) no obligatory doctrines about God:indeed the Koran is highly suspicious of theological speculation,dismissing it as zanna, (whichis)
    self indulgent guesswork about things no-one could possibly know or prove.The Christian doctrines of Incarnation and the Trinity seem prime examples of zanna......."
    Singer has many quotes , but the point I make is that Christianity, and thus all her adherents- is portrayed over and over again as deluded and that ONLY Judaism-rabbinical-is true and worthy of adhering to...(Islam oes the same)
    On page 38/9 Reuven Hammer,who is head of the Masorti Rabbinical court and the Rabbinical assembly of Israel writes: "....the binding of Isaac demonstrated that the Christian doctrine(Jesus'death on the cross as necessary for Salvation)was incorrect and superfluous..............This (Isaac's actual slaying according to some!)was the Jewish answer to the Christain claim:there is no need for the sacrifice of Jesus...."
    I write on this that you may get a realistic and deeper understanding of the blindness in part
    as the book of Romans states(ch11:25) and not to be conceited,but to humbly and effectively pray in accordance with the DELIVERER coming out of ZION(ch11:26)
    as well as the fact that SALVATION is of The JEWS as YESHUA states in the Gospel of John 4:22 .My viewpoint ,correct or incorrect, takes on more and more of a dispensationalist outlook, as in the story of Elijah and Elisha-where as Elijah is caught up to heaven, the mantle falls onfiltered= a picture of the rapture and the 144,000 Jews who carry the Gospel to the nations and doing the 'greater works' that Yeshua spoke of...Whatever, personally I think the greater danger is not Islam, but the anti-christ ,and he may arrive rather as and in reaction!! to a militant Islam represented by Hamas,Hizballah,Al-quaida,Iran and a world gone mad,but who knows..?

    THEODORE HERZL FOUNDING FATHER

    Two days before Rosh ha Shana,at the end of the 39th year since 1967 and reunification of Jerusalem, the will of this great man was accomplished . In his will made public at time of his death in 1904, Herzl had asked to have his three children buried with him when they died.two of them ,Hans and Paulines bones were exhumed this week from their graves in the Jewish cemetry in Bordeaux and reinterred next to their father's grave on Mt. Herzl in Jerusalem. It is a sad story:pauline, a morphine addict died as a penury stricken vagrant at age 40;Hans a year younger complicated the funeral arrangements by shooting himself in the head in his hotel room and buried in the same coffin as his sister.He had converted to Christianity and was as penniless as Pauline.Trude ,Herzl's youngest child was a manic-depressive ,had fanasies of becoming a Jewish leader,and had a long sad history of psychiatric hospitalisations and died in a concentration camp in 1942. Her child,Herzl's only grandchild emigrated to England ,joined the british foreign service and committed suicide in Washington DC in 1946.
    Herzl had an overly possesive mother and a megolomaniac father,was estranged from his wife,Julie, most of their marriage, and was often often obsessed by thoughts of suicide.
    Herzl had a good and influential friend in an English Anglican priest and is said that he himself had had a vision of Messiah! In 1897 at the first Jewish Congress in Basle , he said within 5 years, but certainly within 50, the Jewish State would become fact and reality.
    Like Joseph in Egypt and his bones that were brought from Egypt and buried in Shechem where the tomb remains today; and the chapter in Ezekiel of the Dry Bones that come to life, perhaps this has been something more of Israel's prophetic annointed destiny
    A Christian journalist friend who attended the ceremony on Mt Herzl,made a very poignant statement:
    '....the Herzl family has at last made aliyah....'
    Perhaps a prophetic statement,in view of the
    start of Israel and Jerusalem's 40th year,so now we can really...begin.

    One last thought :
    As regards our unfortunate history over the last 2000 years,and the cry cried out by the people standing before Pilate, as we read
    Matthew in chpt. 27:25 " ..let HIS blood be upon us and our children.." , Theodore Herzl, elect of GOD, and HIS instrument for the re-birth of the State of Israel : must have encountered and have had to have stood against huge and hateful satanic resistance regarding this curse by the people. It is surely time to take stance in prayer and deep intercession by the Church in breaking this curse upon the people of Israel and all the Jewish Chosen People.

    ROMANS 11:15...:For if their rejection and exclusion from the benefits of Salvation were for the reconciliation of a world to God, what will their acceptance and admission mean?It will be nothing short of life from the dead.

    May your New Year be full of the Knowledge of Our LORD and MESSIAH and HIS saving
    GRACE , HIS ways of the WAY the LIFE and the TRUTH in you all and filled with HIS PEACE
    SHALOM and BLESSINGS ,
    Yours ,in KING YESHUA,
     
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    Woah, it's WAY too early in the morning to read all that! :eek:
     
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    It looks like a viral email campaign!

    Do you think this is earth shaking or something?
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    The earth is not shaking, but just look at the insight this letter has, -without makeup.

    This mail I got forwarded from my Jewish friend and if you read it you will find that the person who wrote that letter has more to say than he could at this time.
     
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    Arnie are you a jew?
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    No, I'm not. I have some Jewish friends that believe that I have jewish roots and they try to convert me to Judaism and want to lure me to their Rabbi.

    I love Jews and understand their concerns, especially the Christian Jews are a great asset to Christianity as a whole and is ever rapidly increasing.

    Seems like the book of revelation is going to be fullfilled soon.
     
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    SALVATION is of The JEWS as YESHUA states in the Gospel of John 4:22

    The above was taken from your "so called enlightened" buddies letter!

    This is just one statement that is fraudulent and is bias propaganda!

    Salvation is of God, not from any group of people who God regards as all unworthy of him!

    Men are offered salvation by accepting his Son and living by his word!

    Funny that these are the same people that reject who he sent to them but they are making false claims that "Salvation is of the Jews" and make themselves out to be liars and frauds!

    Got enough truth for one day Arnie or do you need more?
     
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    #9
    So what,

    Jewish propaganda = silly little chain letters
    Muslim propaganda = cutting peoples heads off

    OHHHH those evil jooooz!!!


    I happen to have some Jewish friends too, they insist on forwarding me all these little letters too. Some of them are pretty good. I usually dont like the ones that get too into religion though.

    Anthony, it seems you hate Jews and America from what I can see in my few short days of reading this politics area. Do you live in America? I hope not.
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    You need to study the Jewish mindset to understand.
    God will never brake his rules and the Jews are the chosen ones and when the 144000 Jews go out preaching the Gospel it will be a bit different to all what we have seen so far.

    I attended congregations with Jewish preachers. My God, that was really earth shaking.
     
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    No, YOU need to study more so you are not so gullible to lies, so you can rightly divide the word of truth, at this point you have a long way to go!

    I've read some of the stuff you've posted here Arnie, you need to learn more, unfortunately it seems you are falling into the wrong kind of spiritual knowledge!
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    That is ... ?

    Now read this letter again and point out the lies one by one.

    If you need to talk about the bits and pieces of mistakes Jews are doing than its the wrong way to do it here. I have experience with this as well.
     
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    I already did point out the major lies Arnie, the burden is on you to educate yourself, not me!
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    Who are you that you judge?

    Have you heard about this one?

    ...and if you point out about Johns verse in regard to the Jews, the writer made, then you're a hypocrite.
    We all know that this is for all real believers.
     
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    Who's judging you Son :confused:

    You are to rightly divide the word of truth, that is something that you need to learn!

    I'm not here to start a church man, so you should take what you can get, nor is it my responsibility to educate you!

    If I see you following false prophets or becoming one yourself, you can be sure that I will let you know, at least on this forum if you publish falsehoods!
     
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    ... but I remember you saying that you wante to be the DP pastor here ;)
     
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    Anything more than the remark to Johns verse in that letter?
     
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    Believe it or not, Digital Point is not a church man, although one day Shawn may apply for that tax status with all the religious nuts that are members here! :eek:

    After all, he is from the west coast where all the Scientology Nuts hang out in Hollywood.
     
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    Do you want me to find you post about this? :D
     
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    Ohh, refering to a breed of vipers as the mainstream? :rolleyes:
     
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