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A Google PR prediction tool that works.

Discussion in 'Google' started by Roman, Dec 19, 2005.

  1. Zapita

    Zapita Active Member

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    #41
    mm. one site i have that is PR0 is showing PR4.. i would like to confirm that, because i haven't done any work building links exchanges or anything (one sure thing.. it was admitted at dmoz like a month ago.. maybe that helped?? i would like to see, it's not like a high PR category).
    SEMrush
     
    Zapita, Dec 30, 2005 IP
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  2. Catfish

    Catfish Peon

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    #42
    Actually I think there is some confusion:

    The directory PAGE RANK and the Tool Bar PAGE RANK are not the same values because they are based on different scales. The Toolbar page rank is base 10 and the directory page rank is base 7. The real page rank values that Google sees are unknown. The base 10 or base 7 scale represent intervals of numbers in the unknown Google Page Rank. So for example, Toolbar page rank could represent something like:

    Tool Bar Page Rank 1 = 0 to 1000 Actual Google Page Rank Points
    Tool Bar Page Rank 2 = 1001 to 5000 Actual Google Page Rank Points
    Tool Bar Page Rank 3 = 5001 to 50000 Actual Google Page Rank Points

    and so on. Notice how each interval gets bigger for each point of Page Rank you go up. Now the Directory Intervals might be different even though they run across the same numbers. So for example, it might be like:

    Directory Page Rank 1 = 0 to 3000 Actual Google Page Rank Points
    Directory Page Rank 2 = 3001 to 10000 Actual Google Page Rank Points
    Directory Page Rank 3 = 10001 to 90000 Actual Google Page Rank Points

    Of coarse these values are purely hypothetical but they nonetheless illustrate the point. This is why people can sometimes "lose" page rank in an update even though they didn't really lose anything. What happened was the intervals changes based on the new total number of points after the new calculations were done on the update.

    What this means is that unfortunately the original poster is incorrect in his assumption that the Directory Page Rank values are any kind of future indicator of Tool Bar Page Rank.

    Here is a good reference link for more info: (hope this clears up some confusion that some people seemed to have)

    http://www.seocompany.ca/pagerank/pr/real-page-rank.php
     
    Catfish, Jan 3, 2006 IP
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  3. Jim_Westergren

    Jim_Westergren Notable Member

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    #43
    Good post and I understand fully what you mean.

    But how come some are out of order? For example in my case I have a PR 5 site listed at the top of the list over another PR 5 site, even though he is before me in the alphabet - could it not be because my real PR is higher than his?
     
    Jim_Westergren, Jan 3, 2006 IP
  4. mdvaldosta

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    #44
    Exactly what your saying Jim. I look at the toolbar PR of the sites above and below mine and guestimate mine. For example if there are 8 PR5 sites below mine and the 3 above mine are PR6, theirs a pretty good chance I'm a PR5 about to go up or already am a PR6.
     
    mdvaldosta, Jan 3, 2006 IP
  5. Worldwid

    Worldwid Peon

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    #45
    How do you get a site into dmoz in 4 weeks?
     
    Worldwid, Jan 4, 2006 IP
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    williamjack Notable Member

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    #46
    i would also like to know the pr pridiction tool which is consistent
     
    williamjack, Jan 4, 2006 IP
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    rehash Well-Known Member

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    #47
    What if those 2 sites near you are no longer pr5 and pr6? :D
     
    rehash, Jan 5, 2006 IP
  8. TMan

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    #48
    I don't think the serp's are purely sorted by PR. Of course PR has some value, but there are a lot of other factors. It's for instance quite possible that a low PR site outranks a high PR site, because it's more relevant to the query.

    In addition to catfish:

    The toolbar scale probably is more like
    PR 1: 0 - 0.5
    PR 2: 0.5 - 5
    PR 3: 5 - 50

    Not that your example isn't clarifying, but as the average PR (not toolbar PR) of all pages on the web is 1 (discounting orphan pages) something like the above would be more accurate I suppose.
     
    TMan, Jan 5, 2006 IP
  9. Jim_Westergren

    Jim_Westergren Notable Member

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    #49
    TMan,

    We don't speak about the SERPs here. We speak about the Google dir and being able to predict the PR value based on it's sorting order. Of course the PR value is only one out of hundreds or maybe thousands of factors when determining the SERPs.

    "The toolbar scale probably is more like"

    The numbers are not important, that was not the point. The point is to show that it is logaritmic.
     
    Jim_Westergren, Jan 5, 2006 IP
  10. TMan

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    #50
    Oops, sorry about the directory/serps thingie.

    I find the numbers quite relevant, as they give more insight in the math underneath PR. Maybe a bit academic and/or trivial, but I find it interesting and thought it relevant for this thread.

    Let's relax a little. :cool:
     
    TMan, Jan 5, 2006 IP
  11. wrmineo

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    #51
    It was actually in DMOZ within 2 days after submission.

    No, I'm not an editor. No, I don't have the paypal to an editor.

    Actually, the category it's listed under doesn't even have an active editor listed.

    I think I just got lucky.

    Some categories, like this one and most regionals, tend to get good oversight by catalls and metas it seems, so even when there isn't an editor, they get looked at quickly.

    A few other possible factors that helped with the fast acceptance:

    DMOZ seemed to be doing a blitz of updates around Thanksgiving.

    Also, I try to be very diligent in submitting a good title and description at ODP. I've found that if you can make it palatable enough for an editor to merely approve as is, you find that there truly isn't a qeue, first in, first reviewed mentality at DMOZ.
     
    wrmineo, Jan 5, 2006 IP
  12. Jim_Westergren

    Jim_Westergren Notable Member

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    #52
    Sure, no problem :)
     
    Jim_Westergren, Jan 5, 2006 IP
  13. DomainMagnate

    DomainMagnate Illustrious Member

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    #53
    Oh, I wish I had at least a fraction of the luck you have with dmoz. From all the sites I've submitted so far... no one was included.

    Even paying $1,000 to an editor doesn't seem like too much for me now..
     
    DomainMagnate, Jan 5, 2006 IP
  14. Cristian Mezei

    Cristian Mezei Notable Member

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    #54
    Why are so uptight about a DMOZ incluzion ? Sure it can help, but it's 1% of all the other things you can do.

    If you still get nervous by this, it's for nothin'. Let it go, and let a natural flow of things go :)
     
    Cristian Mezei, Jan 6, 2006 IP
  15. aaron_nimocks

    aaron_nimocks Im kind of a big deal Staff

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    Seiya Peon

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    #56
    Ahaha this prediction tool is great. It listed my site for pR5 (its pr 6 now) but then i got some new links to the site n worked a little n it lists i as Pr6 again. yay... *keeps up the work*
     
    Seiya, Jan 7, 2006 IP
  17. netfast

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    #57
    Yeah right...whats the domain??
     
    netfast, Jan 12, 2006 IP
  18. Cristian Mezei

    Cristian Mezei Notable Member

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    #58
    I got one of my websites, approved in one day. :)

    NO I didn't paid any editor. NO i'm not an editor.
     
    Cristian Mezei, Jan 12, 2006 IP
  19. justinwp

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    #59
    If you hit the right category with active editors you may get lucky. My suggestion is to make sure you find the right category to submit in first, since its a pain for an editor to try to find which category your site may actually belong in. Lazy editors tend to just delete those submissions or forget about them.

    Anyone know how often Google updates their dmoz directory?
     
    justinwp, Jan 12, 2006 IP
  20. Cristian Mezei

    Cristian Mezei Notable Member

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    #60
    From Page rank update page, at Bob's Seocompany :

     
    Cristian Mezei, Jan 12, 2006 IP