A 4-year-old victim of Islam in India, willit ever stop!?

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  1. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #21
    IMHO religions evolved, I can say that during the period in Europe that was where Christianity was at its most extreme, cruel deeds were done. For Muslim case, you will need to consider the huge diversity even among Muslims, I would say that those in the Middle East are maybe undergoing a religion awakening. During interpretations and different groups evolved each claiming to be the "real" Muslims.

    Considering out of 1 billion Muslims scattered throughout the world, the killers are really a totally insignificant number of the the huge Muslim population. We can judge Islam as a whole based on that small and insignificant number of terrorists.


     
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    wmghori Well-Known Member

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    #22
    Dude take a look at this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism Check the most recent killing date. At the bottom there is a long list of reference sites(not running by muslims). There are only 0.01 percent of the rotten eggs and you are blamming every muslim. I don't see any news which says a christian killed students VT, or a christian raped a women. They are refered to as criminals. So why this discrimantion with Muslims. There are criminals everywhere.

    You want to know history of Islam or how it spread. Read the unbiased books from NON MUSLIM HISTORIANS. I'm sure there are individual mishaps but not a single historian will say that Islam was spread via voilance. Do you even know the history of India before muslim rule? You just read the "80 million" "killed" "muslim" and came up with the whole story that they probably all got killed by muslims.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #23
    With so much ignorance of history and current events, no wonder that you are religious. :rolleyes:
    Have you ever heard about Rwanda (It is in Africa and they are black, so not European) where 800,000 people were killed couple of years ago? The priests and nuns who are accused of crime against humanity for their part in mass killings and torture are still hidden by Vatican in different monastery.
     
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    wmghori Well-Known Member

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    #24
    So you agree that you can't blame all of christian for some small number of people actions? Why can't you do that with muslims then?
     
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  5. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #25
    Okay I'll start with you, I was gonna start with someone else but since you insist on making stupid post let me enlighten you.

    1.It was 14 years ago not a couple

    2. It was tribal not Christian

    3. It was a civil war not for a belief in GOD or the lack thereof.

    Please have your facts straight next time. Ya know get the time frame and reason for the genocide right.

    Here's the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide
     
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    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #26

    Okay now to your comment.

    I didn't say all muslims. I said in my second post that, I KNOW ALOT OF MUSLIMS THAT AREN'T RELIGIOUS RADICALS in los Angeles.

    I said wherever islam is taught to a new people that had no religious radicals they end up having religious radicals after islam is taught. Everywhere we see islam starting up we see killing in the name of islam, family killing family and friends killing friends in the name of islam.

    I didn't say Christians don't commit crimes come on why do you think they have churches and islamic services in prisons, because religious people make mistakes too.

    I said No CHRISTIANS HAVE KILLED IN THE NAME OF GOD EXCEPT EUROPEAN CHRISTIANS OR DECSENDENTS OF EUROPEAN CHRISTIANS.
     
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    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #27

    Okay now to you.

    I DIDN'T SAY ALL MUSLIMS! I SAID EVERYWHERE WE SEE ISLAM TAUGHT.

    People who had never killed anyone in the name of religion all of a sudden start when islam is taught to them. Not one place on the whole Earth where islam is taught is safe from innocent people being killed in the name of allah.

    Who ever doesn't see this pattern is blind or lying about not seeing it.

    The evil spirit that works through the quran has been the reason so many innocent children have been killed in the name of allah.
    It's sad that we don't give the innocent children the proper respect of admitting what caused their death. :mad:
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #28
    In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.
    For quite some time I heard only rumors about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.
    Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:



    "Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.
    According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.
    In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the
    Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on
    fire and burn their victims alive.
    .."


    Priests get death sentence for Rwandan genocide
    BBC NEWS April 19, 1998


    A court in Rwanda has sentenced two Roman Catholic priests to death for their role in the genocide of 1994, in which up to a million Tutsis and moderate Hutus were killed.

    You can read more at: VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
     
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    #29
    "european" is not a race
     
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    #30
    I checked the site out it only proved my point more!

    I will repeat myself. That was tribal all sides were Christians. It wasn't for Christianity it was a civil war. It had nothing to do with religion. Therefore it can't be said they were killing in the name of Christ.

    Heck I know bloods and crips in Los Angeles that have been killing each other for decades now. Some are Christians some are Muslims, but religion doesn't play a part in the killing it's all for territory and drugs.

    That's like saying that the civil war here in America between the Union and Confederates was a Holy war. You know it wasn't it was a civil war, big difference.
     
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    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #31
    That's like saying Asian isn't a race. Or Negro isn't a race.
     
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    #32
    MUSLIMS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT STILL MURDERING INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF GOD. You can't deny that.
     
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    #33
    could be that I m stupid, but where is your Christian love? to people who might be slow in understanding? maybe I need 3, 6, or 10 posts to understand a point, is that what Jesus ordered you to do, when you see somebody who "does not understand" to call him stupid? and why you did not show some respect to Muslims before speaking about them too? or do you really consider every single one of them is a violent, evil person, if so, then listen to that song lol, maybe it will give you a lesson about tolerance, respect, between Muslims and people of other beliefs, who do not practice oppression, killing, in the name of their religion.

    nah, your problem with me, is that I am a Muslim, this is my guilt, and you expect me to love you lol, and you speak about love, and they been speaking about love since very long, God the father (as they claim)n loves, isn't he? you know I have a problem with this love, because, missionaries, say, God the father loves all :D even if you are non-Christian, then why all non-Christians will go to hell?

    and that God the son, died for our sins, so where is the problem here? If I made a sin of following else religion than Christianity?

    from your lengthy post, I understood, what Christians, when they did all these crimes, in many parts of the world, in old history, and new, were not Christians, but they were Europeans, whom in their nature as Europeans, always kill in the name of their religion ( even when they where pagan) but what was supposed to Christianity to do?

    and why it failed miserably with Europeans when it succeeded with others? you are blaming a race, I think this is really being racist contrary to what you claim about yourself.

    and if Christianity failed this way with European (race as you like to say) how come the heart of Christianity (vatican) is in Europe and the Pope is European? why the other non-European Christians have to follow these wicked ideas, specially when the Church did not apologize yet for their crimes against humanity during long history till now?
     
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    #34
    I am Cristian and you are saying brainwashed things.. Jews in Isdrael and the Pope in all the world are killing much more than some FAKE muslim terrorist (who trains them is the London's Tavistock institute - having school in Palestine to train Kamikaze from the childhood).
     
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    #35
    The Pople killing all around the world? Source please?

     
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    #36
    Jesus said you'll be forgiven when you repent ( that means stop living in sin ) and ask for forgivness. If a person continues to live in sin they are not going to be forgiven. That doesn't mean you won't make mistakes. A mistake is one thing living in sin and loving it is another.

    As far as Christian love, love for all is what I have and so did YAHUSHUA(JESUS), yet He still spoke harshly to those who needed it.

    Like this verse:

    Matthew 23:13
    "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

    He pretty much told the truth no matter how much it hurt a persons pride.

    As far as sounding racist, that's impossible. I'm half European myself. And I grow up with my European family as well as my Black family. I'm honest enough to say Christians didn't give religion a bad name, Euraopeans gave Christianity a bad name, that's truth not racism.
     
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    #37
    Agreed......but now every one has a prejudice against every Muslim. My name is Farrhad which is mostly a Muslim name (I am not one) I suffer from time to time due to this, visa etc.
     
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    #38
    Learn to read buddy.
    I didn't say that Jews and Christians don't kill... BUT NOT IN THE NAME OF GOD, NOT FOR DOING "ALLAH" WISH
     
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    #39
    The whole justification of Israel versus Palestinians at least among neo-cons in built on the idea of chosen people and God giving them rights to a piece of land, what do you call that if not killing in the name of God? :rolleyes:
     
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    HAHA. I am Jew and Zionist and live in Israel. and i don't live here because i am in the "chosen people", I lives here because this is my homeland where my grandfathers lived until 2000 years ago a lot before the invention of Islam.
     
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