77% of Gaza women face violence

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  1. new

    new Peon

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    #21
    have you ever seen the title over this smiley :rolleyes:?
    what does it read?


    you see, we can just run in circles over this
    I would say that
    "It is the fault of isreal for provoking and stealing land of Arabs"

    but both of the above do not merit the killing of innocents

    there can be no justification for killing Americans on 911, likewise there is no justification for the murder of Palestinian kids

    however as you argued that 'Palestinian brought it on themselves' so I can also counter argue that 'Americans brought it on themselves'

    lol .. I know, now you just want to run away ...:D
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #22
    Roll eyes. So, this comment meant nothing at all because you used a roll eye icon?

    New, we weren't even talking about 911 - that comment was totally out of the blue.
     
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    #23
    I am sure you know the meaning of being sarcastic

    I just posted above

    there can be no justification for killing Americans on 911, likewise there is no justification for the murder of Palestinian kids

    however as you (wwws) argued that 'Palestinian brought it on themselves' so I can also counter argue that 'Americans brought it on themselves'

    the comment was not 'out of the blue' , it was made to make you realize that just a lives of Americans are important, so are the lives of Palestinians

    I posted about the kids who lost their life at hands of isreal and I was told to 'stop bringing this drama' .. while you guys still after 8 years don't stop bitching about 911 .... why these double standards ?
     
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    #24
    It's you that is running in circle, we go forward.

    If it werent for the West involvement, there wont be in "Arab lands" all of Arab lands would belong to Israel and very little that Arabs could do, so thanks the West for halting Israel from taking anymore of "your lands".

    The score favors the Free loving nations by the thousands to your one, in your mindset you think your winning. Fools believe that way.
     
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    #25
    New, "stop bitching about 911." Really? I didn't see a roll eye icon there, I guess you meant that. I haven't even commented on those pics - why are you trying to suggest otherwise?
     
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    #26
    thanks, that perfectly explains that cause of Palestinians, they have been robbed of their land, as you yourself acknowledged

    now, we don't have to run in circles. as you have ended the circle by admitting the land robbery done by isreal

    so it is the fault of isreal (and usa which backs it) which is the root cuase Palestinian struggle , give them their just right and the problem will be resolved

    so lets go back
    now you can't blame that 'Palestinians brought it upon themselves' .. struggling for your right is not a crime


    @Rebecca
    you did see the comments of wwws about the pics. they are in response to wwws
    do you disagree with words of wwws?
     
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    #27
    Haha, you want it to keep going in circles don't you?

    First Palestinian never owned any land, Israel had always been there before Palestinians even existed. Second, muslim are very well known to "steal lands" that do not belong to them.

    Palestinians should think of themselves as lucky that it was Israel that "took" there lands, they would not be in good hands of Arabs. Palestinians should be very lucky that they even existed, imagine if it was the Arabs that control them, they would not existed today or probably made of slaves, which they are by the way under Islam.

    You don't hear much of the report on how Egypt and other Arab nations treats Palestinians.

    The Midwest belongs to Israel, it would be nice if the West stop meddling in their business. Israel should further expand and just conquer the whole middle east and maybe peace will come for once.

     
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    #28
    For clarity, do you mean these words?

     
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    #29
    ha ha ...so after admitting that isreal did steal land and was bent on stealing even more you come and tell us the above ..biting back on own words ? that's like licking own vomit , how ugly

    what you posted does it even make any sense ? apart from the blatant hate that you are unable to control or may be you have you drunk too much on new year eve?



    you thought mentioning of Palestinian kids killed by isreal is 'dragging a drama'
    so why we should not take the mentioning of 911 as same

    let me put it again

    there can be no justification for killing Americans on 911, likewise there is no justification for the murder of Palestinian kids

    However you find no problem when in isreals murder of Palestinian kids and found it justified .. what kind of 'civilized' people we have here in dp. I am sure even an uneducated nomadic from Sahara desert would have more morals than you ..


    yes
    so why these double standards ?
     
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    #30
    Are you seeking some form of support from a non-muslim that you call infidels? lol We know what you would like to do with infidels.
     
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    #31
    This is what I think of this statement:

    I can agree with that.

    In its fight to defend itself against Hamas attacks against its civilians, Israel is faced with moral challenges unprecedented in their complexity. Hamas, as a basic element of its strategy, exploits the Palestinian population as shields for its terrorist operations and infrastructure. This cynical strategy include the following tactics:

    - The deliberate launching of rocket from populated areas
    - The deliberate use of civilian homes to shield Hamas arms and explosives manufacturing facilities
    - The deliberate use of civilians as human shields against anticipated airstrikes

    source

    I'm not sure if I understand this comment.

    I can see that. Obsessing over hatred for Israel is actually very self-destructive and counter productive for the arabs.

    New - It's ok if you have something to say, I just wish you wouldn't try to derail every thread into a discussion about Israel.

    Not sure, probably wouldn't be able to agree completely.

    Most definitely agree with this, Hamas trains children to hate and sets them up for failure in life.

    Examples:

    The 6-foot bomber bunny appeared on camera in recent days with a head-scarf-wearing little girl named Saraa.
    She sits listening entranced to the rabbit’s rants.
    “I, Assud, will finish off the Jews and eat them,” he hisses.
    “Allah willing!” Saraa says.

    Cartoons designed to teach hatred


    Brainwashing the younger generation of Palestinians with concepts of terrorism and hatred has great importance for Hamas. As part of its indoctrination effort, Hamas makes extensive use of the Internet, with approximately 20 Internet sites in seven languages. One sites is an children's magazine called Al-Fateh ("The Conqueror"), www.al-fateh.net.

    The magazine has attractive graphics and contains comic-like drawings and photographs to make it "friendly" and attractive to its target audience of young children. There are poems, articles about religious subjects, and tales of heroism from Arabic and Islamic history.

    Side by side with these "innocent" items are articles preaching the perpetration of terrorist attacks, extolling the suicide bombers and presenting them as role models, and encouraging hatred for Israel and the Jewish people.
    source

    It does seem like that's how islam works.
     
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    #32
    you failed to answer the very basic question

    murdering of kids and innocent civilians is WRONG
    do you agree or disagree ?

    Palestinian kids got killed as a result of isreali assault
    now when I mention about the plight of kids that were killed by isreal i was told that

    stop dragging your dramas to us, it's your fault and no one else


    I find this statement very disturbing, considering that it was no drama, you know it very well that kids did lose their lives, no matter who was at fault, what caused the war, it can't be used as an excuse for the murder of kids
    even If assume for the sake for simpliclty that the murder of kids and civilain population was not deliberate still you can't comment on the loss of life as a 'drama' .. how do you feel when I say that stop bringing up 911 again and again in an effort to dramatize things ?

    likewise saying that it is 'own fault' which led to the murder of innocents is same mentality and thinking as the ones who are known as 'terrorists'
    if isreal had to attack and murder civilians because it HAD to hit the enemy and there were no options left other than the ones which led to the loss of innocent life than same logic will be used by terrorists who carried out 911.

    it was not the fault for american who got killed in 911 it was the fault of terrorists, likewise it was not the fault of innocent kids who got killed by isreal. it was fault of isreal

    oh and the source you quoted .gov.il, that would be of-course a unbiased, just and truthful place which we can believe in blindly :rolleyes:
     
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    #33
    You can't get a better source to prove a point, Israel is propaganda central. so a Israeli government site would be great (.gov.il):D
     
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    #34
    What do you want? And why do you seek "Rights" when you take away rights. You can't have "rights" when you don't recognize anyone's rights. Stop asking the "Infidels" for help, seek among yourself. How do you like them apples.

    2010 and beyond will be different, the world will be expose to what your cult really is, evil, merciless, barbaric, selfish as it is.
     
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    #35
    what 'yourself' ? unlike you, I am open to hear and listen to everyone


    again talking about own self?
     
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    #36
    New, I am so glad I am FINALLY able see you put the following words to print.

    Of course I suspect you were just trying to make a political point for Palestine and don't really condemn the 911 attacks, but I'll take what I can get. I too agree there can be no justification for killing Palestinian Kids. When I see you hold the Palestinians responsible for their deaths, I'll know you have turned the bend.

    [​IMG]


    Washington Times - The Hamas Dead Baby Strategy
     
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    #37
    Yes, it's wrong. However - There's a difference between intentionally targeting innocent civilians and those that are killed unintentionally while in the midst of a conflict. In the following list, there are some attacks made on active military members, but many on civilians. Let me ask you, do you feel it's justified to attack Israelis whether or not they are in active duty military? Do you condemn these acts?

     
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    #38
    and you have nothing to say and just go and post a list from a propaganda site
    you ignored the points that I raised about the post of wwws

    do you realize many many more civilians were killed by isreal, just in 2009 gaza assault ?
     
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    #39
    What do you expect when you fight from behind civilians. I think they ought to hand Hamas a Darwin award
     
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    #40
    A propaganda site? It's a government site, New. Do you think they just made up all the names of the terrorist victims, hoping no one would be the wiser?


    No, I didn't. You said:
    With this statement, stop dragging your dramas to us, it's your fault and no one else , I interpreted it differently than you did. Look at my previous post...

    For the rest of the post, my comment was "There's a difference between intentionally targeting innocent civilians and those that are killed unintentionally while in the midst of a conflict."

    However - I do feel very badly for the loss of innocent civilians, kids, adults no matter whether they lost their life from being killed unintentionally while in the midst of a conflict OR from being intentionally targeted in a terrorist act.

    Now, will you answer my question...
     
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